ex-Nix: Where/what are they now?

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lukemstanton

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lukemstanton

kwlap

Why would Alex take the move though? Like this doesnt further him or push him. He was a standout in the league, why come back? very odd decision from him. 

also, not sure the nix look like muppets. They got a record signing fee for it. Even if he does play for them, we got $4mil for him! 

He wouldn't have any say I suspect, and regardless would likely have been open to moving home

The player needs to agree to the move or it doesnt happen. But maybe they said we dont see a future for you here unless you go.
And why would he be open to moving home? he has been away 5mins. 

If a premier league club tells you that you are going on loan - you are going.
He's from Auckland, not Wellington, all his family are from Auckland

I dont care where he is from, nor would I think that was really a deciding factor in this. I bet he is thinking about how he can develop into the best keeper he can be. I doubt going to auckland would be on the list of to dos if that was the aim. 

Yeah I just dont see how this is good for his development, going back to the same league he's just left to a club with no infrastructure. Especially after leaving the club with the best training/recovery facilities in the league.

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It's Sydney's boy Corica, a billionaire and the bigger Auckland market vs the plucky Phoenix.  

For all Rob has done a huge amount for the League and its governance I'm not too hopeful here.   

mjp2

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It's Sydney's boy Corica, a billionaire and the bigger Auckland market vs the plucky Phoenix.  

For all Rob has done a huge amount for the League and its governance I'm not too hopeful here.   

If the FA approve this, then the rest of the clubs have a reason to be upset as well. 

theprof

mjp2

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It's Sydney's boy Corica, a billionaire and the bigger Auckland market vs the plucky Phoenix.  

For all Rob has done a huge amount for the League and its governance I'm not too hopeful here.   

If the FA approve this, then the rest of the clubs have a reason to be upset as well. 

Yeh, maybe I'm being too cynical.  

The way I see it, this it is really about the integrity of the salary cap.  And that has always had so many fudges with the marquees etc

I know they're two both completely different scenarios, but this whole thing is giving me Alex Jones flashbacks.

20 Legend

Why didn’t Nix put that in the transfer agreement?

Either management were more than happy with the $$$ or extremely naive. 

Apparently there was a rule preventing it, which has since been changed. 

Edit: Lol, and I’m miles behind the thread. 

Also WTF is up with Gourdie? When did he become a complete count without the o? Martin wotsit of the platform and tap dancer on car bonnets I’d expect it from, but not the guy involved in bringing Winston Reid to NZ.

He is right in saying this will trigger NIX fans... and if it does get approved it will also spice up the first derby.

From both a signing (assuming it's approved) and from a marketing perspective its a great move. It might even cut through some of the Olympic coverage and make the news!

MetalLegNZ

He is right in saying this will trigger NIX fans... and if it does get approved it will also spice up the first derby.

From both a signing (assuming it's approved) and from a marketing perspective its a great move. It might even cut through some of the Olympic coverage and make the news!

It’s a factual but fudgeed take

Don't see how you can develop in a league you just excelled in.

martinb

20 Legend

Why didn’t Nix put that in the transfer agreement?

Either management were more than happy with the $$$ or extremely naive. 

Apparently there was a rule preventing it, which has since been changed. 

Edit: Lol, and I’m miles behind the thread. 

Also WTF is up with Gourdie? When did he become a complete count without the o? Martin wotsit of the platform and tap dancer on car bonnets I’d expect it from, but not the guy involved in bringing Winston Reid to NZ.

Gourdie seems politically to the populist Right - I once saw him tearing strips off a hospitality workers' union organiser on Twitter - so it doesn't surprise me that he thinks "triggering" people is awesome and cool

ETA: I should probably explain more clearly. "Triggering" is not just another way of saying "upsetting" or "annoying". (Upsetting and annoying other clubs' fans is pretty par for the course). But it has a technical meaning of what happens to a person with PTSD when something reminds them of their trauma. Like, severe distress, flashbacks, literally losing control of their body/thoughts. Using it in this sense is just disrespectful to people who've had some really bad shark happen to them.

theprof

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It's Sydney's boy Corica, a billionaire and the bigger Auckland market vs the plucky Phoenix.  

For all Rob has done a huge amount for the League and its governance I'm not too hopeful here.   

If the FA approve this, then the rest of the clubs have a reason to be upset as well. 

If the A Leagues website is to be believed, ALL the clubs were happy to have the Clause removed, with certain 'guardrails'. Presumably those guardrails were to avoid a Paulsen like situation. But the push to remove the Clause came from certain clubs, the APL consulted with the all clubs, then made the application with the FA to remove the Clause. We all await the FA's decision.

Auckland will yes be majorly embarrassed  if FA stop this deal from happening. Though they suddenly have some major publicity 2 months before the season kicks off, and regardless of the FA's decision the 1st derby now has real spice. If they wanted to create some major feeling between the 2 clubs, job done.


Following a consultation process with the Australian Professional Leagues (APL), A-Leagues clubs have supported a move to review the ‘Caceres Clause’ ahead of the 2024/25 season.  

The APL was approached by a number of clubs in May about the possibility of reviewing the ‘Caceres Clause’ due to the increased transfer market opportunity for clubs and the change in broader club ownership structures in place across the league since the inception of the player contracting rule in 2016.

The review process sought feedback from all clubs about the rule change and what, if any guardrails would be required, and took into consideration the league and Clubs’ emphasis on youth development, improving overseas talent pathways and increasing opportunities for international player transfer and loan fees.

A player contracting rule change was supported by all clubs, with the premise that the APL reviews and maintains certain guardrails.

Yeah, theres supporting the change and then supporting it so you can take full advantage of it! I doubt any of the clubs would have expected this sort of thing to be going on.

NZPhoenixFan

Don't see how you can develop in a league you just excelled in.

 He's only had one full season in a professional league. He's still young for a keeper. It would be a surprise if he didn't continue to develop by playing in this league.

Colvinator

NZPhoenixFan

Don't see how you can develop in a league you just excelled in.

 He's only had one full season in a professional league. He's still young for a keeper. It would be a surprise if he didn't continue to develop by playing in this league.

Not as much as he would have in the EPL.

Wellington Phoenix General Manager David Dome spoke to media earlier today on the review of the 'Caceres Clause' and the loan transfer of former GK Alex Paulsen to @AKLFootball24

Watch the full zoom press conference here: https://t.co/a8M3HRpkXM pic.twitter.com/VudgQjXvZa

— Wellington Phoenix 🔥 (@WgtnPhoenixFC) August 9, 2024

Domey in a press conference about the loan and changes to the Caceres clause

theprof

Colvinator

NZPhoenixFan

Don't see how you can develop in a league you just excelled in.

 He's only had one full season in a professional league. He's still young for a keeper. It would be a surprise if he didn't continue to develop by playing in this league.

Not as much as he would have in the EPL.

 Obviously, but he wasn't going to be playing in the EPL this season. EPL teams don't loan out to Australia players they are planning to play in the EPL.

Half a Pint

Wellington Phoenix General Manager David Dome spoke to media earlier today on the review of the 'Caceres Clause' and the loan transfer of former GK Alex Paulsen to @AKLFootball24

Watch the full zoom press conference here: https://t.co/a8M3HRpkXM pic.twitter.com/VudgQjXvZa

— Wellington Phoenix 🔥 (@WgtnPhoenixFC) August 9, 2024

Domey in a press conference about the loan and changes to the Caceres clause

Kind of gives the vibe that he's in on it too and are trying to drum up the rivalry. Something stinks tbh.

coochiee

theprof

mjp2

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It's Sydney's boy Corica, a billionaire and the bigger Auckland market vs the plucky Phoenix.  

For all Rob has done a huge amount for the League and its governance I'm not too hopeful here.   

If the FA approve this, then the rest of the clubs have a reason to be upset as well. 

If the A Leagues website is to be believed, ALL the clubs were happy to have the Clause removed, with certain 'guardrails'. Presumably those guardrails were to avoid a Paulsen like situation. But the push to remove the Clause came from certain clubs, the APL consulted with the all clubs, then made the application with the FA to remove the Clause. We all await the FA's decision.

Auckland will yes be majorly embarrassed  if FA stop this deal from happening. Though they suddenly have some major publicity 2 months before the season kicks off, and regardless of the FA's decision the 1st derby now has real spice. If they wanted to create some major feeling between the 2 clubs, job done.


Following a consultation process with the Australian Professional Leagues (APL), A-Leagues clubs have supported a move to review the ‘Caceres Clause’ ahead of the 2024/25 season.  

The APL was approached by a number of clubs in May about the possibility of reviewing the ‘Caceres Clause’ due to the increased transfer market opportunity for clubs and the change in broader club ownership structures in place across the league since the inception of the player contracting rule in 2016.

The review process sought feedback from all clubs about the rule change and what, if any guardrails would be required, and took into consideration the league and Clubs’ emphasis on youth development, improving overseas talent pathways and increasing opportunities for international player transfer and loan fees.

A player contracting rule change was supported by all clubs, with the premise that the APL reviews and maintains certain guardrails.

I wouldn't believe all clubs supported it until I hear it from them - remember how APL lied about the Sydney grand final deal agreement.

Colvinator

theprof

Colvinator

NZPhoenixFan

Don't see how you can develop in a league you just excelled in.

 He's only had one full season in a professional league. He's still young for a keeper. It would be a surprise if he didn't continue to develop by playing in this league.

Not as much as he would have in the EPL.

 Obviously, but he wasn't going to be playing in the EPL this season. EPL teams don't loan out to Australia players they are planning to play in the EPL.

That's obvious now! But when he was signed there were clear indications that he was being considered as a potential challenger for the starting gig. Even being part of the training and gameday squad would be better than playing in the Aleague.

yeah this is not confidence inspiring in the slightest, he should be fighting this 

Monto

Half a Pint

Wellington Phoenix General Manager David Dome spoke to media earlier today on the review of the 'Caceres Clause' and the loan transfer of former GK Alex Paulsen to @AKLFootball24

Watch the full zoom press conference here: https://t.co/a8M3HRpkXM pic.twitter.com/VudgQjXvZa

— Wellington Phoenix 🔥 (@WgtnPhoenixFC) August 9, 2024

Domey in a press conference about the loan and changes to the Caceres clause

Kind of gives the vibe that he's in on it too and are trying to drum up the rivalry. Something stinks tbh.

Monto

Half a Pint

Wellington Phoenix General Manager David Dome spoke to media earlier today on the review of the 'Caceres Clause' and the loan transfer of former GK Alex Paulsen to @AKLFootball24

Watch the full zoom press conference here: https://t.co/a8M3HRpkXM pic.twitter.com/VudgQjXvZa

— Wellington Phoenix 🔥 (@WgtnPhoenixFC) August 9, 2024

Domey in a press conference about the loan and changes to the Caceres clause

Kind of gives the vibe that he's in on it too and are trying to drum up the rivalry. Something stinks tbh.

Yipe coldly it's only going to mean more of a bumper crowd at the ROF for that first derby. And again AP playing for Auckland ain't going to be a major factor in whether the Nix have a good or bad upcoming season. Selling him to the Cherries, even if he comes back to the club's new big NZ ALM rival, is still far better than him leaving on a free to AFC. Which when Auckland were granted their new licence was a possibility.

I'm not smart enough to work out exactly why, but it seems it's the clubs (and then by default APL) who want the Caceres Clause gone. Nix fans far more upset about AP being at AFC, than those who pay the bills at Phoenix HQ.

My bugbear is the move the right one for Paulsen himself? Secondly is this the only the start of Auckland FC playing with the rules?

I gave them the benefit of the doubt they weren't Bling FC, getting out and about around the grass roots clubs. Foley seemingly pretty grounded. But this saga is dodgy. Again just adds to the derby rival spice, and yeah Domey probably doesn't mind that. Like him and the club never slated Rudan much when he left. Again that was more the fans.

Im picking this 2 million $ of add ons in the nix transfer won’t be activated by Alex signing for Auckland FC

It is a little ironic that the other day someone at the Nix said they are potentially looking at some good loan deals because of their recent transfer business.

Maybe Bournemouth may loan them a keeper?

Why are people saying AP had no say in the matter?? He just signed a decent pro deal in the EPL. He presumably had to sign additional paperwork to go to ACFC, and could have refused, or push for a different destination. I hate to be this guy, but I wonder if he got a sign on bonus, as this counts as a transfer. That might explain why he was keen to return to the A-League. Because let me tell you, I can't think of any other good reason. And don't give me any of that "family is important" crap that reeks of Mark Rudan.
I honestly would have understood a move to Sydney, Vuc, or CCM much more. A chance to challenge for the title, maybe play in some AFC tourney. But to go to a brand new team playing in Oz, when the world is your oyster and you're on the books of an EPL team? Nah.

Will get a lot more goalkeeping practice/experience playing with Auckland. Waste of time for him if he was with us and had the deckchair out most of the season.

So what are we thinking? Either: 

a) the Nix got tricked in negotiations;
b) the Nix deliberately allowed this to happen so that their own fans would get upset and "add spice to the derby"

I already thought Auckland were on their way to assembling a top 6 side. Now looks like they have the league's best keeper (noting Izzo has left the ALM), without any effect on their salary cap. Paulsen will have Hall, Sakai & Smith in front of him. 4 visa signings still to come.

Pantomine villain Foley said he wanted to challenge for silverware. True to his word
 

Would we be just as upset if Portland loaned Surman back to Auckland?

Gooner 4 Life

Would we be just as upset if Portland loaned Surman back to Auckland?

Maybe not give the lack of common ownership. It would look more like a genuine deal rather than some underhanded tactic.

based on the presser it certainly sounds like 'b'

Doloras

So what are we thinking? Either: 

a) the Nix got tricked in negotiations;
b) the Nix deliberately allowed this to happen so that their own fans would get upset and "add spice to the derby"

Nommag

based on the presser it certainly sounds like 'b'

Doloras

So what are we thinking? Either: 

a) the Nix got tricked in negotiations;
b) the Nix deliberately allowed this to happen so that their own fans would get upset and "add spice to the derby"

I think you're way off there, Dome's presser was more one of if it happens we dont have a lot of say in the matter but at least it will add some extra spice to the derby.
I honestly cannot see the club agreeing to seel Paulsen knowing he was gonna be loaned straight back - just for a bit of spice.

Sorry to say this, but the more dome speaks, the more crap comes out

This stinks. I will not be happy if he joins Auckland. And of course he has a say, people turn down loan deals all the time.

Doloras

So what are we thinking? Either: 

a) the Nix got tricked in negotiations;
b) the Nix deliberately allowed this to happen so that their own fans would get upset and "add spice to the derby"

 
c) We knew it was a possibility this could happen, but accepted a very good transfer fee for a young player which benefited both us and APs career. 

Anything else is disrespectful to the club, and to AP. 

This loan deal doesn’t mean it was a mistake to sell AP to Bournemouth in the first place - blocking AP from having a chance to move to a PL club/play in the PL one day just because of the AFC link would have been stupid. 
 

Stupid?

What was stupid was not inserting a clause that in the event of a loan, that would not be to a club in the A league.

AucklandPhoenix

Stupid?

What was stupid was not inserting a clause that in the event of a loan, that would not be to a club in the A league.

 But... that's what the 'Caceres clause' was there for when we made the deal.

If it were possible to do that, we wouldn't need the Caceres rule.

Trent

Doloras

So what are we thinking? Either: 

a) the Nix got tricked in negotiations;
b) the Nix deliberately allowed this to happen so that their own fans would get upset and "add spice to the derby"

 
c) We knew it was a possibility this could happen, but accepted a very good transfer fee for a young player which benefited both us and APs career. 

Anything else is disrespectful to the club, and to AP. 

This loan deal doesn’t mean it was a mistake to sell AP to Bournemouth in the first place - blocking AP from having a chance to move to a PL club/play in the PL one day just because of the AFC link would have been stupid. 
 

Yes, C it is 100%. The Nix knew this could somehow possibly happen. 

In everything I heard today from all parties it looks like AP is quite happy to don the AFC kit next season, saying he's looking forward to playing in front of friends and family.

Domey comes across as being resigned to the fact it's gone through, even talked about how great it is for the rivalry. He doesn't seem to be too bothered at all.

How I stand on this: At least we got some decent money. Nix will be looking into the future and move on. 

Alex Paulsen only looks after his own interests with no hint of loyalty or respect to his former club and fans - guess you get those types.

Auckland FC have made a real statement with this. This was all pre-meditated a long time ago and they knew it would cause a stir - No love lost, the gloves have come off already, we're enemies. Game on, I say! A bitter rivalry was born today.

Going back to my original comment, this reeks of Phoenix needing the money but not wanting to lose face with fans. 

Bit of a wake up call for many Nix fans too. Yes, the blue and black is ugly. But the club looks to be a real force. 

queenofthequail

AucklandPhoenix

Stupid?

What was stupid was not inserting a clause that in the event of a loan, that would not be to a club in the A league.

 But... that's what the 'Caceres clause' was there for when we made the deal.

The clause that the Phoenix were in favour of repealing, and of which steps were already being taken to remove it, before the deal took place.

Knowing this was happening, the Nix absolutely should have sought assurances that this wouldn't happen. This is either a lack of foresight from the Nix, of which Foley and AP took full advantage, or the Nix don't really care. There's no consipracy here.