Turf wars in Sydney/Melbourne expansion bids? Yep, par for the course. Not the first and wont be the last. Looks like they took the opportunity to throw Pagniello under the bus and sling a bit of mud Team 11's way.
On Pagniello. As a 'player' (agent, part owner etc) in lower division Italian, Spanish and eastern European leagues he cannot escape match fixing. Who knows what level he plays at.
I agree that 5-10,000 is workable with a revised revenue sharing model; and if PFA got realistic about lower payment bands for 2nd division.
In an ideal world we would be offering expansion team entry into a 2nd div with the opportunity via prorel to advance.
I wonder under such a scenario (revenue share arrangement across 2 divs with prorel) how many of the current bids would eventuate; and how many others would put their hand up?
Dreaming, I know.
Brisbane Strikers 15 to go
Gold Coast
Sunshine Coast
Team 11 South East Melbourne
South West Melbourne
South Melbourne
Tasmania
Adelaide
Southern Expansion Sydney
Fremantle
Asked 442 Insider forum
Team 11
Geelong/Not Geelong/Patriots/West Melbourne
West Melbourne (heard absolutely nothing about them except one HUN article)
South Melbourne
Southern Expansion
SW Sydney
Macarthur
Wollongong Wolves
Brisbane City
Western Pride
Gold Coast United
Fremantle
West Adelaide (no longer teaming up with Adelaide City who are aiming for new second div)
Tasmania
Canberra (not sure if this one is actually happening)
I wish Auckland was on that list
Asked 442 Insider forum
Team 11
Geelong/Not Geelong/Patriots/West Melbourne
West Melbourne (heard absolutely nothing about them except one HUN article)
South Melbourne
Southern Expansion
SW Sydney
Macarthur
Wollongong Wolves
Brisbane City
Western Pride
Gold Coast United
Fremantle
West Adelaide (no longer teaming up with Adelaide City who are aiming for new second div)
Tasmania
Canberra (not sure if this one is actually happening)
West Adelaide have no chance, Canberra have sent out a survey about their bid, so I'd say that's happening.
Emma Kemp keeping the Nix Sale alive
A-LEAGUE EXPANSION HOPEFULS
ACT: Canberra
New South Wales: South-West Sydney (Liverpool), Southern Expansion (Sutherland-St George Illawarra), Wollongong Wolves, Macarthur (Campbelltown)
Queensland: Brisbane City, Gold Coast United, Western Pride/Ipswich
South Australia: West Adelaide
Tasmania: State-wide
Victoria: Team 11 (South-East Melbourne), South Melbourne, Western Melbourne, Belgravia Leisure
Western Australia: Fremantle City
FFA EXPANSION TIMELINE
Confirmation of shortlisted bidders – June
Release of Request for Proposal – June 11
Deadline for submission of proposals – August 31
Announcement – October 31
- AAP
Massive article in smh is strongly hinting the strength of the bids is such either more teams than 2 will be added other rumours floating around are the bids are so strong to the point were some suggesting two 12 team divisions with P & R with 4 to 5 years.
The goal bid about more than two team expansion. If true this is excellent news for the A-League.
Massive article in smh is strongly hinting the strength of the bids is such either more teams than 2 will be added other rumours floating around are the bids are so strong to the point were some suggesting two 12 team divisions with P & R with 4 to 5 years.
The goal bid about more than two team expansion. If true this is excellent news for the A-League.
"What appears certain already is that this expansion process will already be looking at three entrants for the immediate future given the precarious tenure of Wellington Phoenix. The New Zealand club has two more seasons to run on its licence but, at this stage, appears unlikely to be granted an extension given its poor off-field performances. In the event the Phoenix fold and leave the league, it's likely they will be replaced by one of the bids from the current expansion process."
The FFA will look real good if the APFCA take controlof the League .
However, like Adelaide United’s new owners the investors have chosen to remain anonymous — at least at this stage of the bid.
Chairman of the new SA club bid Andy Haralampopoulos said the consortium had submitted its expression of interest by Football Federation Australia’s Thursday deadline last week.
Haralampopoulos concluded the agreement last week in Europe after four years of negotiations with the consortium.
West Adelaide — SA’s first national league champion in any football code in 1978 — will be the partner club to the new consortium, Haralampopoulos said.
According to Haralampopoulos the consortium is similar to the City Football Group which owns Manchester City, New York City, Melbourne City and shares of Yokohama F Marinos, Torque in Uruguay and Girona in Spain.
“They already have clubs in Europe and one in Africa and the one in Australia that would be a starter club,’’ Haralampopoulos said from Athens, Greece.
“The operation would be very simple and the only pathway the new club would have is through West Adelaide.”
The consortium also manages players and first-class coaches globally with the proposed club name and colours at the mercy of its new fans.
The new club would base its headquarters — head office and training facilities — at West Adelaide’s new home at Kilburn after the former Labor state government handed the club $4.5 million in funding towards the project.
The sports complex, which is currently under construction, is expected to be ready by the end of the year with Kilburn also destined to house a 5000-capacity stadium and two synthetic pitches.
“We have entered commercial agreements with the consortium for the use of the facilities,’’ Haralampopoulos said.
“The player pathways for men and women will be through our NPL clubs.”
Haralampopoulos said the budget for the proposed new club is modelled on what top-end clubs are spending in the A-League and W-League at the moment — in excess of $10 million a season.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Interesting read that. Sound, very much looks to me like the current MLS model following the mistakes they made.
Interesting read that. Sound, very much looks to me like the current MLS model following the mistakes they made.
Yep, interesting read all right! And nice to note how the Nix get singled out as being an equal member of the HAL 'team', not some outlier the others are ready to bench.
BTW, what MLS mistakes are you talking about?
Not In My Back Yard Please
Nix fans would suddenly become NIMBYs, too, if Real Dynamo Naenae suddenly wanted one of the new licenses! ;)
Nix fans would suddenly become NIMBYs, too, if Real Dynamo Naenae suddenly wanted one of the new licenses! ;)
Emma Kemp keeping the Nix Sale alive
A-LEAGUE EXPANSION HOPEFULS
ACT: Canberra
New South Wales: South-West Sydney (Liverpool), Southern Expansion (Sutherland-St George Illawarra), Wollongong Wolves, Macarthur (Campbelltown)
Queensland: Brisbane City, Gold Coast United, Western Pride/Ipswich
South Australia: West Adelaide
Tasmania: State-wide
Victoria: Team 11 (South-East Melbourne), South Melbourne, Western Melbourne, Belgravia Leisure
Western Australia: Fremantle City
FFA EXPANSION TIMELINE
Confirmation of shortlisted bidders – June
Release of Request for Proposal – June 11
Deadline for submission of proposals – August 31
Announcement – October 31
- AAP
From the article:
The Phoenix's sorry off-field state continues to fuel suggestions a third spot could open for another Australian club once the club's licence expires in two years.
Emma Kemp should be sued or at the least forced to front with some reasoning and evidence. The FFA attacks continue and stuff is more faithful to Aussie paymasters than a local team.
Nix fans would suddenly become NIMBYs, too, if Real Dynamo Naenae suddenly wanted one of the new licenses! ;)
Always fun when they fight amongst themselves...
Media Release | Southern Expansion has today released "5 x home truths for @SydneyFC " read them here: https://t.co/o2HcKqzZO7 pic.twitter.com/16ZN6Jevgy
— Southern Expansion (@SouthernExpFC) June 8, 2018
http://www.southernexpfc.com.au/wp-content/uploads...
1: The Southern Region wants their own team.
2: Macarthur United may be best for Sydney FC, but it’s not for the A-League, and
3: Wollongong won’t save them either.
4: Sydney FC opposed Western Sydney, and they got that wrong
5: Southern Expansion is not Sydney FC’s problem – they are.
Interesting.
More on this here https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2018/06/footb...
This is what Rob Morrison was banking on with the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) currently taking on the FFA. The club collective has already drawn up advanced plans, including budgets and an operating model for an independently run competition.
Why include crap statements - SLATTER
“One thing we have to be clear, is that the expansion that’s going to occur – and we desperately need it – whether that is going to be two new clubs or three if Wellington don’t survive, and don’t negate that possibility because they have a massive job to lift their game if they want to be a part of this competition in the future, but we can’t get it wrong."
Good Read. A good read on bids
Why include crap statements - SLATTER
“One thing we have to be clear, is that the expansion that’s going to occur – and we desperately need it – whether that is going to be two new clubs or three if Wellington don’t survive, and don’t negate that possibility because they have a massive job to lift their game if they want to be a part of this competition in the future, but we can’t get it wrong."
Normal programming is resumed for Slater.
> Anti-Nix
> Sydney FC bias
From Newshub (Thanks for the very good news - hopefully)
The cloud of uncertainty hanging over the Wellington Phoenix could soon disappear if A-League clubs get their way.
After slamming Football Federation Australia (FFA) and its approach to A-League expansion earlier this week, the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) has revealed the clubs are all but ready to take over the competition.
In an interview with Newshub, APFCA chairman Greg Griffin incidated the club collective has already drawn up advanced plans, including budgets and an operating model for an independently run competition.
"We know exactly how the independent A-League will look" Griffin said. "We've done a massive amount of work.
"We have a blueprint for an independent A-League, which will be released at the appropriate time."
Those comments will leave FFA bosses on high alert, with Griffin reiterating his view that an independent A-League was "inevitable".
The former Adelaide United chairman also indicated the move would effectively secure the long-term future of the Wellington Phoenix, whose licence is up for review in 2020. Under the conditions of a licence extention granted four years ago, the Phoenix must meet strict provisions put in place by the FFA.
"We don't think they have been given the respect they deserve" Griffin said of the Phoenix.
"We regard New Zealand as an important part of our market and we regard Wellington Phoenix, under the stewardship of Rob Morrison, as being a club that has much to offer to the A-League."
Griffin also offered a warning to the FFA over its plans for expansion, which he described as "inappropriate" and "bereft of legitimacy".
"The member clubs of APFCA are entirely supportive of the Wellington Phoenix and its administration.
"We think they are doing a very good job under difficult circumstances and we want it made known that we do not regard them as a trading tool in any negotiations the FFA may wish to undertake with other parties."
Newshub.
If this happens, I personally would like to thank most sincerely Greg Griffin and others for their support towards the Phoenix. It has been pretty negative for the last few months and should this proposal happen, it will be the best "positive" I, as a Phoenix fan, has had for a very long time.
So how realistic would it be for the existing A-League clubs to just give the fingers to the FFA and set up a "rebel" league, à la the Super League war? Wouldn't FIFA blackball all players for those clubs, like they've blackballed the breakaway league in PNG?
So how realistic would it be for the existing A-League clubs to just give the fingers to the FFA and set up a "rebel" league, à la the Super League war? Wouldn't FIFA blackball all players for those clubs, like they've blackballed the breakaway league in PNG?
From Newshub (Thanks for the very good news - hopefully)
The cloud of uncertainty hanging over the Wellington Phoenix could soon disappear if A-League clubs get their way.
After slamming Football Federation Australia (FFA) and its approach to A-League expansion earlier this week, the Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) has revealed the clubs are all but ready to take over the competition.
In an interview with Newshub, APFCA chairman Greg Griffin incidated the club collective has already drawn up advanced plans, including budgets and an operating model for an independently run competition.
"We know exactly how the independent A-League will look" Griffin said. "We've done a massive amount of work.
"We have a blueprint for an independent A-League, which will be released at the appropriate time."
Those comments will leave FFA bosses on high alert, with Griffin reiterating his view that an independent A-League was "inevitable".
The former Adelaide United chairman also indicated the move would effectively secure the long-term future of the Wellington Phoenix, whose licence is up for review in 2020. Under the conditions of a licence extention granted four years ago, the Phoenix must meet strict provisions put in place by the FFA.
"We don't think they have been given the respect they deserve" Griffin said of the Phoenix.
"We regard New Zealand as an important part of our market and we regard Wellington Phoenix, under the stewardship of Rob Morrison, as being a club that has much to offer to the A-League."
Griffin also offered a warning to the FFA over its plans for expansion, which he described as "inappropriate" and "bereft of legitimacy".
"The member clubs of APFCA are entirely supportive of the Wellington Phoenix and its administration.
"We think they are doing a very good job under difficult circumstances and we want it made known that we do not regard them as a trading tool in any negotiations the FFA may wish to undertake with other parties."
Newshub.
If this happens, I personally would like to thank most sincerely Greg Griffin and others for their support towards the Phoenix. It has been pretty negative for the last few months and should this proposal happen, it will be the best "positive" I, as a Phoenix fan, has had for a very long time.
Hopefully, a change of hand on the HAL tiller would mean the rest of the clubs appreciate us enough to put us on the same deal they're on. Must be 16-17 years left on their 20 years licenses. I'd take that.
At the very least we know the other club owners want new teams in new markets, that will help greatly if the FFA sit down with other club owners and negotiate. The benefits of us getting a 20 year license would be huge. Maybe the FFA could give us the license on the grounds we build a boutique 10k seat stadium so at least if we are only getting 5k a game it still looks good on TV.
At the very least we know the other club owners want new teams in new markets, that will help greatly if the FFA sit down with other club owners and negotiate. The benefits of us getting a 20 year license would be huge. Maybe the FFA could give us the license on the grounds we build a boutique 10k seat stadium so at least if we are only getting 5k a game it still looks good on TV.
Yes, a long license would give us a good reason to revisit our ground needs. And a boutique Wgton (covered) stadium that would seat around 10k would be great. But only as long as we get a guaranteed run in the top flight for a decent number of years without the threat of pro/rel. Otherwise, why would the owners want to spend the money for a new ground?
So how realistic would it be for the existing A-League clubs to just give the fingers to the FFA and set up a "rebel" league, à la the Super League war? Wouldn't FIFA blackball all players for those clubs, like they've blackballed the breakaway league in PNG?
More likely outcome if negotiations fall over is FIFA come in and establish a normalisation committee over the top of the FFA and then who knows what happens from there.
