Speaking of strange peno shootout calls. At a school tournament a few years ago, won a peno shootout (against Marco Rojas at Hamilton Fraser High) where the ref went back through the original five peno takers when we were locked at 3-3 and two misses each. Worked in our favor so no complaints from us!
Awwwww Ref - Know The Laws
In the KO Cup pen shootout yesterday the first kick was made to be retaken because the keeper moved early - even though she scored!
Did she score on the re-take? She'd be hard done by if it was saved...
she did fortunately
My understanding is that a keeper may move early, as long as they do not advance. That is of course irrelevant as the penalty should have been allowed to stand.
Yeah move early off line
So got a situation and I'm not 100% sure on what I should do. I'm a coach of a team and on the weekend when playing another team. Their coach was also a Capital Football Referee (Wearing the Capital Football Referee Jacket). Also know for a fact he referee/linemans at Central league games.
So my referee is just a parent and has his club based refereeing badge, I know he isn't the best but he is willing and tries to be fair and even with his calls. He made a few calls that the other teams parents and coach didn't like and started to get abused for it. Their coach started pointing to his badge and telling my referee how to ref the game. As the half went on it got worse and their coach ended up swearing (I don't believe at the ref) but in general. This caused one of my parents to go off at their coach and a whole lot of yelling from both teams sets of parents. (To be honest I think the kids of both teams where embarrassed)
I was on the other sideline and ended up crossing the pitch and telling my parents to move away and walking away with their coach to calm the situation down. Their coach advised me he would be refereeing the second half, which my parents were not happy about.
At half time my parent referee said he had had enough and walked off, and I'm sorry to say even today is very angry about the whole thing and has said he won't referee again. I feel really upset about this as he is a really great guy and been a big help to me with the team.
Their coach ended up doing the second half and even himself missed some calls. But by that stage I had talked to my parents and they didn't say anything and of course the other team was happy to have their referee.
So after all of that, I'm not sure what to do and if I should lay a complaint with the other teams club and with Capital Football Referee (Despite him being a coach) as he was wearing their jackat and trying to use it to influence my ref.
I also do admit that my parents were in the wrong and will be going through my club about it as well.
Any advise appreciated.
Cos official refs know the rules so well..
Lino in Cap prem game yesterday flagged an offside from a throw in.
The young kid who was a lino in the Wharf U17 game this morning hasn't quite mastered the offside rule. Was a bit embarrassing when he flagged for offside when the wharf player was on by about 5 yards, the ref correctly played on, but the KCU players had stopped because of the flag. Led to a goal for the Wharf, guess it's a good lesson for the KCU lads to play to the whistle.
The young kid who was a lino in the Wharf U17 game this morning hasn't quite mastered the offside rule. Was a bit embarrassing when he flagged for offside when the wharf player was on by about 5 yards, the ref correctly played on, but the KCU players had stopped because of the flag. Led to a goal for the Wharf, guess it's a good lesson for the KCU lads to play to the whistle.
Yes, I tried to tell my boys the same thing, you can't be sure the referee saw it and will blow his whistle.
So got a situation and I'm not 100% sure on what I should do. I'm a coach of a team and on the weekend when playing another team. Their coach was also a Capital Football Referee (Wearing the Capital Football Referee Jacket). Also know for a fact he referee/linemans at Central league games.
So my referee is just a parent and has his club based refereeing badge, I know he isn't the best but he is willing and tries to be fair and even with his calls. He made a few calls that the other teams parents and coach didn't like and started to get abused for it. Their coach started pointing to his badge and telling my referee how to ref the game. As the half went on it got worse and their coach ended up swearing (I don't believe at the ref) but in general. This caused one of my parents to go off at their coach and a whole lot of yelling from both teams sets of parents. (To be honest I think the kids of both teams where embarrassed)
I was on the other sideline and ended up crossing the pitch and telling my parents to move away and walking away with their coach to calm the situation down. Their coach advised me he would be refereeing the second half, which my parents were not happy about.
At half time my parent referee said he had had enough and walked off, and I'm sorry to say even today is very angry about the whole thing and has said he won't referee again. I feel really upset about this as he is a really great guy and been a big help to me with the team.
Their coach ended up doing the second half and even himself missed some calls. But by that stage I had talked to my parents and they didn't say anything and of course the other team was happy to have their referee.
So after all of that, I'm not sure what to do and if I should lay a complaint with the other teams club and with Capital Football Referee (Despite him being a coach) as he was wearing their jackat and trying to use it to influence my ref.
I also do admit that my parents were in the wrong and will be going through my club about it as well.
Any advise appreciated.
lay a complaint, what's the worst that can happen. The opposition coach gets a warning through his club and he learns to leave his ref's jacket at home.
So got a situation and I'm not 100% sure on what I should do. I'm a coach of a team and on the weekend when playing another team. Their coach was also a Capital Football Referee (Wearing the Capital Football Referee Jacket). Also know for a fact he referee/linemans at Central league games.
So my referee is just a parent and has his club based refereeing badge, I know he isn't the best but he is willing and tries to be fair and even with his calls. He made a few calls that the other teams parents and coach didn't like and started to get abused for it. Their coach started pointing to his badge and telling my referee how to ref the game. As the half went on it got worse and their coach ended up swearing (I don't believe at the ref) but in general. This caused one of my parents to go off at their coach and a whole lot of yelling from both teams sets of parents. (To be honest I think the kids of both teams where embarrassed)
I was on the other sideline and ended up crossing the pitch and telling my parents to move away and walking away with their coach to calm the situation down. Their coach advised me he would be refereeing the second half, which my parents were not happy about.
At half time my parent referee said he had had enough and walked off, and I'm sorry to say even today is very angry about the whole thing and has said he won't referee again. I feel really upset about this as he is a really great guy and been a big help to me with the team.
Their coach ended up doing the second half and even himself missed some calls. But by that stage I had talked to my parents and they didn't say anything and of course the other team was happy to have their referee.
So after all of that, I'm not sure what to do and if I should lay a complaint with the other teams club and with Capital Football Referee (Despite him being a coach) as he was wearing their jackat and trying to use it to influence my ref.
I also do admit that my parents were in the wrong and will be going through my club about it as well.
Any advise appreciated.
lay a complaint, what's the worst that can happen. The opposition coach gets a warning through his club and he learns to leave his ref's jacket at home.
That is what I'm thinking of doing. Only thing that I guess worries me is we will be facing this team again later in the season.
Talk it through with your club grade convenor first.
Thanks for the advice, I have just sent a match report in of the incident. So will see what they say.
Thanks for the advice, I have just sent a match report in of the incident. So will see what they say.
be interested to hear what happens, you've started the ball rolling so to speak - which is the best move I think, you can't be worried about potential fallout.
"You got the ball first, then touched the man afterward, so that's why I have he penalty"
"You got the ball first, then touched the man afterward, so that's why I have he penalty"
I get what youre saying, its hard to say because i didnt provide context. Wasnt at all dangerous. Got the ball, guy came through and fell over him. Ref acknowledged that but said since there was contact, it was a penalty. Very weird.
Ref on the weekend pulled up our player for jumping and moving round in front of the keeper on a corner and thus obscuring the keepers vision
isn't that what he's trying to do?
Thanks for the advice, I have just sent a match report in of the incident. So will see what they say.
be interested to hear what happens, you've started the ball rolling so to speak - which is the best move I think, you can't be worried about potential fallout.
Well it has gone to the other club and to referee association to look into now, so will wait and see.
I thought you are allowed to stand in front and keep moving as keeper moves to get in the way. But if you are jumping and waving your hands to get in the way of the keeper then it is a foul.
Outcome: so the coach ended up contacting me and apologising which i think takes guts. He feels bad about the whole thing, unfortunatly the complaints had already gone in. He has stood down from this weekend coming game and next time our two teams meet. I believe there is still a case to answer for when it comes to the referee association as they may still be investigating. But not sure if they will do anything now he has been reprimanded.
I think overall a good outcome there, just sad that my referee who is a parent volunteer even today is angry about it all and no longer wants to ref.
I get what youre saying, its hard to say because i didnt provide context. Wasnt at all dangerous. Got the ball, guy came through and fell over him. Ref acknowledged that but said since there was contact, it was a penalty. Very weird.
That was me. Slid across to get ball off his feet, then actually pushed the ball under his feet and he tripped over the ball AND my legs in the follow through.
It actually added insult to injury when he said to me, "it's in the rules, you got the ball but you can't get the ball AND THEN the man". Once he said that, I just walked off because what else could I do?"
That gifted the opposition the first goal. It should be noted that a few minutes later he gave a corner which should have been a GK and they scored off that too. Striker hadn't even appealed as he knew. Pretty sad as ref wasn't in a good position to judge and often body language tells a million stories (e.g. our CB got the ball once it had gone out of play and gave it to our GK for a quick goal kick, and their FW just turned around and started walking back to half way).
To be fair, ref also missed a handball in our box.
This could solve a few problems people have with refs!!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8894542/Deaths-send-shockwave-around-Brazilian-football
So second penalty in our game today
Karori lad through on goal, I come out as keeper to block the shot. He cuts the ball square as I go down, the player then proceeds to stand on my thigh and fall over (scrapes to prove it). Square ball misses everyone. Ref then calls a penalty saying I took the player down.
No booking for the keeper.
Penalty or ref having a mare?
So second penalty in our game today
Karori lad through on goal, I come out as keeper to block the shot. He cuts the ball square as I go down, the player then proceeds to stand on my thigh and fall over (scrapes to prove it). Square ball misses everyone. Ref then calls a penalty saying I took the player down.
No booking for the keeper.
Penalty or ref having a mare?
If, at the point you've gone down, you've had a realistic chance of gaining possession and your sole intent and subsequent actions were attempts to gain possession, then it sounds to me like a harsh pen.
I guess the question you want to ask (and let's remove him standing on you for a moment) is at any stage, did you play the ball? Answer that, and you have your verdict, intent or not.
My team literally got battered in the weekend in cap 13. A small youthful team that we are, we got kicked, chopped and even punched.
Referee sent one culprit off for the punching incident. Anyone know how this is followed up and treated in the best way?
I literally limped off the field with 10 minutes to go in fear of my safety. We started the day with 13, finished with 10. (No red cards for us). Felt quite disgusted as I generally thought the opposing club would not commit such offences.
My team literally got battered in the weekend in cap 13. A small youthful team that we are, we got kicked, chopped and even punched.
Referee sent one culprit off for the punching incident. Anyone know how this is followed up and treated in the best way?
I literally limped off the field with 10 minutes to go in fear of my safety. We started the day with 13, finished with 10. (No red cards for us). Felt quite disgusted as I generally thought the opposing club would not commit such offences.
My team literally got battered in the weekend in cap 13. A small youthful team that we are, we got kicked, chopped and even punched.
Referee sent one culprit off for the punching incident. Anyone know how this is followed up and treated in the best way?
I literally limped off the field with 10 minutes to go in fear of my safety. We started the day with 13, finished with 10. (No red cards for us). Felt quite disgusted as I generally thought the opposing club would not commit such offences.
in cap thirteen - ha your having a laugh.....ref was probably a player form the home team. No team cards, no actual red/yellow cards, nothing is recorded.
My team literally got battered in the weekend in cap 13. A small youthful team that we are, we got kicked, chopped and even punched.
Referee sent one culprit off for the punching incident. Anyone know how this is followed up and treated in the best way?
I literally limped off the field with 10 minutes to go in fear of my safety. We started the day with 13, finished with 10. (No red cards for us). Felt quite disgusted as I generally thought the opposing club would not commit such offences.
in cap thirteen - ha your having a laugh.....ref was probably a player form the home team. No team cards, no actual red/yellow cards, nothing is recorded.
Having a few jars and a debate kicks off. When a shot hits the post is it classed as on target or off target? Not really a laws of the game thing but I need to to find it written somewhere or I'm gonna have to sink some piss. I'm in the on target camp.
Off target.
I need written proof, the bet stated peoples opinions don't count. I've heard a lot of people say on target
American definition.
i agree off target!
For me, an on-target shot is one that would have gone in but for the presence of the keeper. One that hits the woodwork is not going in.
My team literally got battered in the weekend in cap 13. A small youthful team that we are, we got kicked, chopped and even punched.
Referee sent one culprit off for the punching incident. Anyone know how this is followed up and treated in the best way?
I literally limped off the field with 10 minutes to go in fear of my safety. We started the day with 13, finished with 10. (No red cards for us). Felt quite disgusted as I generally thought the opposing club would not commit such offences.
What's been done since you posted? Any action taken? Got your club to see speak to their club?
For me, an on-target shot is one that would have gone in but for the presence of the keeper. One that hits the woodwork is not going in.