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If anyone on here can translate this into conversational English, I'd appreciate it.
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Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Why would you do that, overall standard this season is average and if you cannot make the top four you do not deserve to be in the playoff
[quote=Jaickin]
Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Why would you do that, overall standard this season is average and if you cannot make the top four you do not deserve to be in the playoff
I agree with keeping it at 4, but if it gets Southern into the playoffs then yes lets go to 6 ;)
[quote=Jaickin]
Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Why would you do that, overall standard this season is average and if you cannot make the top four you do not deserve to be in the playoff
I agree with keeping it at 4, but if it gets Southern into the playoffs then yes lets go to 6 ;)
Self Interest over quality of football :-)
[quote=Jaickin]
Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Why would you do that, overall standard this season is average and if you cannot make the top four you do not deserve to be in the playoff
Would probably give fans an incentive to watch the rest of the regular season due to their being a playoff race. More interest = more money, though I understand the sentiment of wanting your best teams in the playoffs.
[quote=Jaickin]
Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Why would you do that, overall standard this season is average and if you cannot make the top four you do not deserve to be in the playoff
Would probably give fans an incentive to watch the rest of the regular season due to their being a playoff race. More interest = more money, though I understand the sentiment of wanting your best teams in the playoffs.
extra cost, extra length. Relegation would be first port of call
Looks like it's all ridiculously financially unsustainable anyway. TeeDubs spend years getting to the CWC but their reward is paying off debts, ACFC are somewhat insured against financial disaster but not that much given their expenditure to be at the top of the game, Waitakere have burned out, HBU are in a big old debt hole.
[quote=Jaickin]
Not sure if this has been discussed at all. Do you think there would be any added benefit/consequence if they made the playoffs include the Top Six similar to the A-League? The way this seasons rolled out, it would definitely give an incentive to keep up with the four teams who may potentially finish 6th.
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Why would you do that, overall standard this season is average and if you cannot make the top four you do not deserve to be in the playoff
Would probably give fans an incentive to watch the rest of the regular season due to their being a playoff race. More interest = more money, though I understand the sentiment of wanting your best teams in the playoffs.
extra cost, extra length. Relegation would be first port of call
I'd go the opposite.
If it's costing the AWs chance of international matches (scheduling clash semis with March window), I'd cancel the semifinals completely. If you don't finish in the top two, after two full rounds home and away, tough luck. Straight to a final, or even just a first past the post league winner.
Top two end of regular season going into OFC Champions League.
National team takes priority. After all the Handy Prem byline is 'where AWs are made'.
Looks like it's all ridiculously financially unsustainable anyway. TeeDubs spend years getting to the CWC but their reward is paying off debts, ACFC are somewhat insured against financial disaster but not that much given their expenditure to be at the top of the game, Waitakere have burned out, HBU are in a big old debt hole.
Add Canty Utd to the list. Bailed out by Mainland Football, who passed the costs onto kids and adults. Dare say Southern isn't in the best space either...
Looks like it's all ridiculously financially unsustainable anyway. TeeDubs spend years getting to the CWC but their reward is paying off debts, ACFC are somewhat insured against financial disaster but not that much given their expenditure to be at the top of the game, Waitakere have burned out, HBU are in a big old debt hole.
Add Canty Utd to the list. Bailed out by Mainland Football, who passed the costs onto kids and adults. Dare say Southern isn't in the best space either...
Exactly the same as CU, bailed out by Football South and a fee looks like it will be added on to registration fees in the region.
So 50% of the league is fudgeed, and of that 10% have any shot of winning it.
I wonder how the three new teams Eastern Suburbs, Hamilton Wanderers and Tasman are managing financially after their nearly three seasons in the competition.
If they did not have their financial model correct perhaps they also maybe starting to feel the financial strain - does anyone have any idea of how they are tracking?
Suburbs have contracted their first team out to Western Suburbs, so that's interesting.
Suburbs spent big on players in their first season, but then pulled back in their second
Despite it looking like it, Its wrong to say they have contracted out their first team to Western Suburbs, its a partnership with Ole and they are setting up an Auckland branch. Not sure how the finances work for that
Tasman I think are fine, they are just concentrating on locals more this season, but that was always their plan
Wanderers no idea
Suburbs spent big on players in their first season, but then pulled back in their second
Despite it looking like it, Its wrong to say they have contracted out their first team to Western Suburbs, its a partnership with Ole and they are setting up an Auckland branch. Not sure how the finances work for that
Tasman I think are fine, they are just concentrating on locals more this season, but that was always their plan
Wanderers no idea
Suburbs were given the place was because they were a club with a large grassroots (and deep pockets) which was meant to beach-head the future club based National League.
Two years in and they're now having their entire first team supplied by a completely different club - who would also be eligible for a club based National League should it ever come to pass.
It's a weird way of showing you're a successful club.
Suburbs spent big on players in their first season, but then pulled back in their second
Despite it looking like it, Its wrong to say they have contracted out their first team to Western Suburbs, its a partnership with Ole and they are setting up an Auckland branch. Not sure how the finances work for that
Tasman I think are fine, they are just concentrating on locals more this season, but that was always their plan
Wanderers no idea
Suburbs were given the place was because they were a club with a large grassroots (and deep pockets) which was meant to beach-head the future club based National League.
Two years in and they're now having their entire first team supplied by a completely different club - who would also be eligible for a club based National League should it ever come to pass.
It's a weird way of showing you're a successful club.
agree it is a weird way of showing your a successful club but its not correct to say the entire first team are from another club - Tim Payne, Andre de Jong & Michael Built aren't Ole players and there are a coupe of others in the wider squad that aren't Ole.
ADJ isn't either any more. Built is from Hamilton. The only starting first teamer there from the winter is Payne. Yikes.
Two years in and they're now having their entire first team supplied by a completely different club
Of those players who were regular Eastern Suburbs starters last season Tim Payne, Michael Built, Andre De Jong and Kelvin Kalua are regular starters again this season - younger Eastern Suburbs players also getting game time this season include Kingsley Sinclair, Campbell Strong and Jack Duncan........ So not quite the entire team but point taken.
Suburbs spent big on players in their first season, but then pulled back in their second
Despite it looking like it, Its wrong to say they have contracted out their first team to Western Suburbs, its a partnership with Ole and they are setting up an Auckland branch. Not sure how the finances work for that
Tasman I think are fine, they are just concentrating on locals more this season, but that was always their plan
Wanderers no idea
Suburbs were given the place was because they were a club with a large grassroots (and deep pockets) which was meant to beach-head the future club based National League.
Two years in and they're now having their entire first team supplied by a completely different club - who would also be eligible for a club based National League should it ever come to pass.
It's a weird way of showing you're a successful club.
agree it is a weird way of showing your a successful club but its not correct to say the entire first team are from another club - Tim Payne, Andre de Jong & Michael Built aren't Ole players and there are a coupe of others in the wider squad that aren't Ole.
Look at their line up and Bench from their last game against Team Wellington. Of 16 players, Wests supplied 10 of them including 7 starters.
Starting XI
Andrew Withers - Wests
Kelvin Kalua - Eastern
Harry Edge - Wests
Tim Payne - Easts
Owen Parker-Price - Wests
Callum McCowatt - Wests
Andre de Jong - Eastern
Elijah Just - Wests
Dalton Wilkins - Wests
Dominic Woolridge - Wests
Michael Built - Easts
Bench
Justin Biega - Easts
Alex Clayton - Wests
Nando Pijnaker - Wests
Mohamed Awad - Wests
Campbell Strong - Easts
while the numbers favour Wests, its not that different to what Easts did in their first season, they just got players from other Auckland clubs (and paid a bit for them). Last season they reduced the cheque book had mainly Eastern Suburbs players and this year its the partnership with Ole (if it had been a straight contracting out would Danny Hay still be the head coach?)
sorry. Double post.
Point is, the league is barely viable. And includes Nix ‘showcase academy’ team too. League quality is poor. Too many journeymen players going nowhere.
I don’t have an answer but I’d be far more excited about footy in NZ if we had a second (Auckland) A league team, the Chatham Cup and the local park footy leagues than anything the Handa Premiership offers.
2nd best, in some thread you posted accounts for ACFC. Can you point me to the thread in question or share here again?
Thanks
2nd best, in some thread you posted accounts for ACFC. Can you point me to the thread in question or share here again?
Thanks
search for them here
http://www.societies.govt.nz/cms/customer-support/...
you can find all clubs in NZ
Point is, the league is barely viable. And includes Nix ‘showcase academy’ team too. League quality is poor. Too many journeymen players going nowhere.
I don’t have an answer but I’d be far more excited about footy in NZ if we had a second (Auckland) A league team, the Chatham Cup and the local park footy leagues than anything the Handa Premiership offers.
Agree that I'd love to see a 2nd A League team in NZ. I think the crowd at EP, a few weeks back, shows there is some appetite for an Auckland team. An A League game in NZ, every week (depending on the draw) would be great.
From 27th Jan to 20th April (almost 3 months), there will only be 3 A League games in NZ (2 Wgtn & 1 Akld), thorough a combination of factors this season. That's pretty shark.
Time to switch some of the local football focus on qualifying a Handy team for the CWC, to getting a 2nd A League team. Apart from ACFC's great run a few years ago, TW and ACFC have been gone after one game at the CWC. So you have one week of sports media stories pre & post game and then it's all forgotten for another 51 weeks.
An Auckland A League would be in the general sports news (for better or worse!) for 30 odd weeks of the year.
A National League (franchise or club based), will never grab the attention of anyone but the true football tragics. The tiny size of your average Handy Prem crowd says that.
Sure 23,000 at EP, could be double what an Auckland A League team would achieve in regular season games (dependant on form, venue, blah blah blah) - but to grab the attention of the casual sports fan, increase the media content for NZ football, and really grow the game in NZ, it's a must.
Just not sure why the A-League would back a Auckland expansion....
Just not sure why the A-League would back a Auckland expansion....
Biggest market without a team, NZ derby. Overseas $ could be interested in a Licence.
Just not sure why the A-League would back a Auckland expansion....
Biggest market without a team, NZ derby. Overseas $ could be interested in a Licence.
Morrison has stated the other A League owners/NLWG members are interested in the idea of an Auckland team.
The one potential expansion side, guaranteed to not affect their own patches/crowd numbers.
Do the owners of Roar, Glory or Adelaide United really want a 2nd team in their home cities, potentially diluting their fanbases & local sponsorship dollars?
Despite the FFA's love of derbies, I'd say probably not at the moment.
Who would watch it in Australia? If I remember correctly, the games against Nix are the least watched in terms of numbers on Fox. Who'll watch two NZ teams playing each other?
Who would watch it in Australia? If I remember correctly, the games against Nix are the least watched in terms of numbers on Fox. Who'll watch two NZ teams playing each other?
You would only be talking 2 games, in a season comprising around 182 games (say 14 teams & 26 rounds). Maybe Auckland United signs Aaron Mooy!
Who in Australia really currently watches CCM v the Nix? Was always considered the sharktest A League game at my old Brisbane workplace.
There are heaps of hurdles to an Auckland side entering the A League, getting more financial value from NZ ie increased Sky money being one.
But you're also talking 2 games every week featuring NZ teams, which would likely have low viewership numbers in Australia. And unless Sky came in with a sharkload of $$$, Fox would not let it happen, hell they don't like having one NZ team in the league, let alone two.
And it's not like Sky doesn't have other things to worry about.
The inclusion of an Auckland team, presumes A League is expanded further to say 16 teams, or more.
So that means 14 Aussie teams, or at least 5 games a week, not involving a Kiwi side. That's one more non-Kiwi weekly game than current.
Look who knows. Unless Morrison is spinning BS, the other A League owners are at least interested in looking at a 2nd team from NZ.
The NLWG if it ends up running the League, wants more income for the clubs not less. I imagine they will consider all options that enable that, whatever they are. Will Fox have the same power, if a NLWG model is running the league. Who really knows.
Of course Fox will have power, that's where the $$$ come from. No TV deal = league financial viability almost non-existent. I doubt that the owners of current clubs in Australia are super keen on the expansion for a number of reasons, but they have to embrace it if they want to get support to get to run the league.
As for Morrison's comments about Auckland, I suspect it's little more than a strategic ploy to underscore the potential of the NZ market to those in Australia whi have serious doubts about it (and by extension, doubts about the Nix too).
Having 2 or more NZ teams helps with the TV scheduling. The draw can be arranged so that there is always 1 game in NZ every weekend filling up the first spot in the Fox schedule as well as a permanent spot in the SkyNZ schedule. Look at the Sky Rugby schedule, there is practically always a NZ 7:35pm Friday night and Saturday night game followed by a game in Oz 2 and bit hours later. If there were 4 NZ sides you could achieve something similar.
Are you really comparing Super Rugby, with 4 Aus teams in a 16-team competition from 4 different continents, to the A-league?
off topic..
2nd best, in some thread you posted accounts for ACFC. Can you point me to the thread in question or share here again?
Thanks
Well, Enzo wrote a thing about the National League, it's problem with attendances and cut-through, and got this response from a National League club.
So yeah, crowds don't matter and the only thing that does is that the games take place.
Yikes.
