ALL WHITES V BAHRAIN - Official 2nd Leg T
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There is stuff in the papers today for instance and expect it to ramp up.
Don't think they have an endless budget to promote so they are saving it for the late hit and once they knew what the first leg was like.
Michael Glading said 20k sold on Radio sport at 6pm. Fantastic!!!
Its a 442 for me. We have to win this unless 0-0 and a penalty shoot out.
Paston
Siggy Nelson Vichlich Locky
Brown Elliot
21k + sold now.
have heard that 8k-9k tickets have been sold since the game on sunday. 50% of the tickets sold from people outside wellington
have heard that 8k-9k tickets have been sold since the game on sunday. 50% of the tickets sold from people outside wellington
We want to win by scoring goals.
The amount of strikers is irrelevant if we can't provide chances. 5-2-3 just can't do that, especially when we have two defensive midfielders to provide chances and no one else to provide chances. Bertos at RWB means he offers no chance to provide. We offered no chances to our strikers so why waste a spot for a third when we could have two (Who could do the same job as the three did with no service) and an extra provider. This would result in more goals as we actually have more chances to score instead of zero.
Just heard an advert on Radio Sport. Sounded good. I'm expecting a sell out!
Whoa! The kiwi's are getting world wide attention. Just watched ESPN Soccernet press pass on Sky. The panel each chose there top international team for the week. Chaka Hislop had Paston in goal and congratulated him on his performance against Bahrain.
Whoa! The kiwi's are getting world wide attention. Just watched ESPN Soccernet press pass on Sky. The panel each chose there top international team for the week. Chaka Hislop had Paston in goal and congratulated him on his performance against Bahrain.
Not good for the Phoenix though But I'd prefer to be in the world cup.
Harper and Cockerill both said they hope we go through etc (though Cockerill isn't suprising because he has always been a big supporter - what are his links to NZ?)
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.
To Chocnut (I think) it looks like you may of been right when you said that Paston will sign for Real Madrid!
here we go. You prob could have waited a bit longer before you pulled out that call.
for a start if someone has a bad game I'll say they did. If they have a good game I will. You somehow seem to be beyond doing this (prob beacuse you are related). He's pulled out a couple of half decent saves in the past couple of games and I thought he was solid enough in Bahrain. Hopefully it will continue. End of the day he's out Nix and AW number one - so he has to be backed.
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.
To Chocnut (I think) it looks like you may of been right when you said that Paston will sign for Real Madrid!
Javier; that'll never work-Paston is too far to the left, leaving an open goal....oh wait, that wasn't a problemo last time
Salmon072009-10-13 07:30:33
There is stuff in the papers today for instance and expect it to ramp up.
I don't think NZF need to advertise or better spend money on advertising.
Javier, there is no way on earth that Siggy deserved a rating of 5, unless you just forgot to specify 5/5. Also, he is not a RB and shouldn't play there. He's an out and out CB and is wasted out right.
Its a 442 for me. We have to win this unless 0-0 and a penalty shoot out.
Paston
Siggy Nelson Vichlich Locky
Brown Elliot
mclinchey Super Leo
Smeltz killen
just been reading through all the posts......how many ways are there of spelling Vicilich?????
Please Mrs V.....how do you spell your sons name?
Is that the same "Spirit of Christmas" Glading that forgot to appeal Moss's suspension.
I'd take any figure he spouts with a grain of salt the size of Jim Bannatyne's wang.
mclinchey Super Leo
Smeltz killen
just been reading through all the posts......how many ways are there of spelling Vicilich?????
Please Mrs V.....how do you spell your sons name?
No brainer...Vicelich.....or google/wikipedia is your friend
Just heard an advert on Radio Sport. Sounded good. I'm expecting a sell out!
Sorry ! Meant Chris Wood, looks a good talent for 17 yo
have heard that 8k-9k tickets have been sold since the game on sunday. 50% of the tickets sold from people outside wellington
Yep and getting real hard to find accomodation, most of the places in central Wellywood now full up. Had to pay a premium to get a place in Kelburn. More for the accomodation than the tickets and the flights!
been thinking on formations again. (all i can really think about lately)
another concept.
Paston
Nelsen Siggy
Vicelich Lochead
Brown
Elliott
Bertos McGlinchey
Smeltz Killen
another concept.
Paston
Nelsen Siggy
Vicelich Lochead
Brown
Elliott
Bertos McGlinchey
Smeltz Killen
um why would you change the formation
Ahhhh, the voice of reason....
So much I would I would on here.
Most seem to agree they got a great result in Bahrain so I would ......... leave it to Ricki. I think that is why he has got the job and I am paying to go and watch. Along with 35,000 others . Bring it on!
I got me tickets ages ago. I'm in Section 28-r? Is that near the white noise area or am at the Bahraini end????
About halfway I would think. 6 aisles around from the zone.
I tried to get flight tickets on Sunday evening, no luck, so asked a lot of people, the ones who are keen have already booked flights, so we're now driving down, got my tickets today, stoked! This is by far the most important game I've ever been to, the significance of it obviously. Come on you Whites! if we qualify, I'd probably just stay up all night and celebrate!
um why would you change the formation
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I cant even be bothered answering that
It's all in the voicing
...and getting rid of that 'All Whites' rubbish at the start.
If you want a job done properly ay LF1 ?
If you want a job done properly ay LF1 ?
just watched espn soccernet and for the presenters best XI's of the weekend
one mentioned Paston as the keeper for his of the weekends international keepers (wow)
for the other he had Nelsen and Herbert as his manager.
amazing really.
one mentioned Paston as the keeper for his of the weekends international keepers (wow)
for the other he had Nelsen and Herbert as his manager.
amazing really.
Whoa! The kiwi's are getting world wide attention. Just watched ESPN Soccernet press pass on Sky. The panel each chose there top international team for the week. Chaka Hislop had Paston in goal and congratulated him on his performance against Bahrain.
Derek Rae had Ryan Nelson in his team and also had Herbert as his coach of the week....for the fab job they did against Bahrain.
Just got a text from a mate in Paris and he said the NZ/Bahrain result was on TV over there.
Go the All Whites!!!!
Derek Rae had Ryan Nelson in his team and also had Herbert as his coach of the week....for the fab job they did against Bahrain.
Just got a text from a mate in Paris and he said the NZ/Bahrain result was on TV over there.
Go the All Whites!!!!
man thats awesome see that what the world cup if we win is going to do for our players it will get world wide attention and players will get snapped up
BRILLIANT
Derek Rae had Ryan Nelson in his team and also had Herbert as his coach of the week....for the fab job they did against Bahrain.
Just got a text from a mate in Paris and he said the NZ/Bahrain result was on TV over there.
Go the All Whites!!!!
man thats awesome see that what the world cup if we win is going to do for our players it will get world wide attention and players will get snapped up
BRILLIANT
Not good for the Phoenix though But I'd prefer to be in the world cup.
lol @ better coverage/appreciation overseas thanw we get here.
Even mentioned it on Fox Sports FC. I've been watching Fox Sports FC all season and I swear they try their best to avoid anything that involves NZ or NZ players. Even when the Nix played the GC they didn't say a word about it. When they do mention a game that we are involved in, they never say anything about us directly.
Harper and Cockerill both said they hope we go through etc (though Cockerill isn't suprising because he has always been a big supporter - what are his links to NZ?)
Ange Postecoglou said he was going for Bahrain because they are also in the Asian confed, though.
Harper and Cockerill both said they hope we go through etc (though Cockerill isn't suprising because he has always been a big supporter - what are his links to NZ?)
Ange Postecoglou said he was going for Bahrain because they are also in the Asian confed, though.
Harper and Cockerill both said they hope we go through etc (though Cockerill isn't suprising because he has always been a big supporter - what are his links to NZ?)
Cockerill is from Christchurch. I think he's one of the best Foxtel football analysts/commentators. Better than the fat altar boy, Bosnich.
I think he's pretty horrible to be honest but at least he isn't Slater. Bosnich is hilarious imo.
valeo2009-10-13 22:38:18
Bosnich has a good football brain and does very good analysis, but once he gets started he's a hard man to shut up. I think he's better than Foster, Harper and Slater.
Cockerill deserves a lot of credit the way he unfailingly squeezes in a mention of the AWs during every match he does. Last week he had Slater audibly groaning and telling him to settle down which was nice to hear.
Interesting little nugget he offered too, that NZ, Algeria and Honduras all haven't made a World Cup since '82, but all are still in with a good chance in 2010. "The stars are in alignment", he reckons. Hmmmm, might be good fun to see Honduras get beaten 10-0 again....
StopOut2009-10-13 23:10:50
Dear Heavenly Father,
Please allow the NZ national football team sweet success on November 14.
I want this very badly.
Amen
To Chocnut (I think) it looks like you may of been right when you said that Paston will sign for Real Madrid!
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.wellyphoenixfan2009-10-13 23:32:24
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.wellyphoenixfan2009-10-13 23:32:24
Well after much speculation and thought, here is my line up as such:
Paston
Nelsen
Sigmund Vicelich
Bertos Lochhead
Elliot
Smeltz Mcglinchey
Fallon Wood
Depending on the phase of play:
5-3-2 full defence / 3-2-3-2 transition / 3-4-3 full attack
But basically 3-2-3-2 (3-5-2) in transition with numbers in the midfield as required scrap for balls and launch the attack from the midfield centre giving Mcglinchey and Smeltz more central options. Elliot can defensively sweep in the centre behind them plus it would give Elliot more passing options once he has the ball. He can hold and pass (as expected in a 3-4-3) to both Smeltz and Mcglinchey or to the wide men of Bertos and Lochhead. Or he can do the over the top direct ball to either Fallon or Wood that can tap the back to Smeltz or Mcglinchey or flick the ball off each other. If Smeltz or Mcglinchey has the ball, Elliot or Bertos or Lochhead or even to each other can provide very safe passing options of maintaining possession. Their threat of a decisive centralised pass to Fallon or Wood up front is there, with Smeltz having an opportunity to run off either of them. The pass to Bertos or Lochhead (depends on who is more forward at the time) can start a wing attack or cross, which allows Smeltz the late movement into the box.
The best passers in the team are Nelsen, Elliot, Mcglinchey and Smeltz. It makes sense to use them in a central position fully. They are our best retainers of possession. Mcglinchey is quick to defend and can place pressure on the Bahrain midfield after seeing how they respond to him on the field.
As much as I like Brown defensive role, I think Mcglinchey can do defensive work in the midfield but more importantly, Mcglinchey can move the ball around. The Bahrain midfield is fairly quick but Mcglinchey can match them and turn the ball over better. Mcglinchey may be a a tad smaller but the Bahrain midfield is no better in height or physical to him. So Brown physical game is not need until the end of the game if we are looking to close shop. 3-4-3 formation is ideal for Mcglinchey because it is more fluid and direct on attack and allows room for the creative players to influence the teams game. Brown's physical game style is not suited for 3-4-3 but 3-4-3 more suited to Mcglinchey creativity style.
It does mean while we are in transition, either Bertos or Lochhead would move forward while either Sigmund or Vicelich may need to sweep across behind them for any attack tucked behind them, pulling the defence line across.
Paston
Nelsen
Sigmund Vicelich
Bertos Lochhead
Elliot
Smeltz Mcglinchey
Fallon Wood
Depending on the phase of play:
5-3-2 full defence / 3-2-3-2 transition / 3-4-3 full attack
But basically 3-2-3-2 (3-5-2) in transition with numbers in the midfield as required scrap for balls and launch the attack from the midfield centre giving Mcglinchey and Smeltz more central options. Elliot can defensively sweep in the centre behind them plus it would give Elliot more passing options once he has the ball. He can hold and pass (as expected in a 3-4-3) to both Smeltz and Mcglinchey or to the wide men of Bertos and Lochhead. Or he can do the over the top direct ball to either Fallon or Wood that can tap the back to Smeltz or Mcglinchey or flick the ball off each other. If Smeltz or Mcglinchey has the ball, Elliot or Bertos or Lochhead or even to each other can provide very safe passing options of maintaining possession. Their threat of a decisive centralised pass to Fallon or Wood up front is there, with Smeltz having an opportunity to run off either of them. The pass to Bertos or Lochhead (depends on who is more forward at the time) can start a wing attack or cross, which allows Smeltz the late movement into the box.
The best passers in the team are Nelsen, Elliot, Mcglinchey and Smeltz. It makes sense to use them in a central position fully. They are our best retainers of possession. Mcglinchey is quick to defend and can place pressure on the Bahrain midfield after seeing how they respond to him on the field.
As much as I like Brown defensive role, I think Mcglinchey can do defensive work in the midfield but more importantly, Mcglinchey can move the ball around. The Bahrain midfield is fairly quick but Mcglinchey can match them and turn the ball over better. Mcglinchey may be a a tad smaller but the Bahrain midfield is no better in height or physical to him. So Brown physical game is not need until the end of the game if we are looking to close shop. 3-4-3 formation is ideal for Mcglinchey because it is more fluid and direct on attack and allows room for the creative players to influence the teams game. Brown's physical game style is not suited for 3-4-3 but 3-4-3 more suited to Mcglinchey creativity style.
It does mean while we are in transition, either Bertos or Lochhead would move forward while either Sigmund or Vicelich may need to sweep across behind them for any attack tucked behind them, pulling the defence line across.
Saw Shebby Singh on ESPN Malaysia ... Football programme ...commentated on game
Quote " What do NZ or Bahrain have to offer the World Cup"???
What a ##$#$ !!
Quote " What do NZ or Bahrain have to offer the World Cup"???
What a ##$#$ !!
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.
here we go. You prob could have waited a bit longer before you pulled out that call.
for a start if someone has a bad game I'll say they did. If they have a good game I will. You somehow seem to be beyond doing this (prob beacuse you are related). He's pulled out a couple of half decent saves in the past couple of games and I thought he was solid enough in Bahrain. Hopefully it will continue. End of the day he's out Nix and AW number one - so he has to be backed.
wellyphoenix fan - I know loving Paston is your "thing", but it's very tedious for the rest of us. I'm sure you were critical when after the Jordan game people got stuck into him for the free kick he conceded so for you to turn around and say that he's in your words "absolute class" for making a couple of smart, but not unbelievable saves, is pretty childish.
He's a professional goalkeeper who is potentially about to go to the world cup, I'd be EXTREMELY worried if he didn't make at least a few good saves in his career. This is not saying he isn't a decent keeper - what I am saying is that like most arguments on here the true position is somwehre in the middle. I am also saying that it's time that you got a new "thing" cause this one is getting old
Last night I saw something on the Aussie Sky news sports section with some Aussie football heads talking about the game. They were talking about how Australia in big games often end up playing with negative tactics and cited the Aussie v Scotland game a number of years ago in a WC qualifier. One of the talking heads piped up that Ricki Herbert had gone to the middle east against a team most thought would be far better than the All Whites and had stuck 3 up front and 3 at the back. He thought that Ricki's approach was what the Aussies needed more of and that Ricki had " Big Nuts"
It was a ballsy choice from Ricki, and I would consider the same sort of formation in the next game. My biggest concern is utilizing Leo and McGlinchey to create for us. I think we woud surprise them having both of them up the field and it would put them on the back foot. This would probably mean dropping one of Killen or Fallon though. And adding a new RB.
i don't know who, but it cant be Bertos in the same spot again. I think if you play Scott there, then McGlinchey in for brown and Leo in for Fallon, then we will have more offensive prescence in the midfield and it will really prevent them from getting any composure in the middle of the field.
I think it worked well for the first 20 or 30 minutes, Ricki and his staff had clearly done their research and realized that Bahrain would attack with long balls down the middle making use of their speed. They hadnt counted on the fact that 3 at the back could handle those long air balls.
Im not sure if it will work again if we allow Bahrain to do what they did in the second half which was to dribble through the middle and play through balls between and over defenders from inside our defensive third. We need to adjust to that in the next game. Im not sure what i would do at this point. We need to score so its probably a case of being bold again.
Im not sure if it will work again if we allow Bahrain to do what they did in the second half which was to dribble through the middle and play through balls between and over defenders from inside our defensive third. We need to adjust to that in the next game. Im not sure what i would do at this point. We need to score so its probably a case of being bold again.
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.
You aren't a very humble man are you?
Also to all the Paston doubters (such as Feverish) do you admit now that I was right all along? Even not including this game with gametime over the past few weeks with the Phoenix he has proven he is just absolute class.
I made a good save against Dan Keat once....I SHOULD PLAY NZFC COZ IM CLASS