I like Fred De Tong :)
All Whites History
The highlight was a 1-0 win over Celtic at Parkhead, the proudest moment in manager Ian Marshall's football career:
Rufer, Coveny and de Jong were the awesome strike force for NZ that day. Chris Zorocich scored.
Some legends of the era including Charlie Nicholas, Pat Bonner and Tony Cascarino in the Celtic team:
Feb 4, 1992 Glasgow, Parkhead, 7300
The Celtic FC 0-1 New Zealand
(Chris Zoricich 58')
This game was almost didn't happen. The SFA had a rule that club teams weren't allowed to play international teams and Jim Farry, the secretary at time, was what you could call rather officious. He said the game could go ahead but behind closed doors. I think Celtic said if that was the case then the game wouldn't go ahead but that was an issue for them as they had been advertising it. In the end as it was a tuesday night and didn't affect any league or cup games the SFA relented and the game went ahead
interesting read all this. Does anyone have a detailed list of who captained the AWs in each fixture we've played? Ultimate NZ Football is very good but is lacking in this respect.
Received another one of the 1992 UK Tour programmes today. This one was against Tranmere Rovers at Prenton Park and I have included the details underneath thanks to the link provided by Big Pete 65:
396. Friendly
Feb 14, Birkenhead, Prenton Park Stadium, 3772
Tranmere Rovers 7-0 New Zealand
(John Aldridge 6', x', y', z', Ian Muir 35', x+1', Graeme Branch)
Tranmere Rovers (England):
Eric Nixon (Paul Collings 46'), Dave Higgins (Mark Hughes 46'), Ian Nolan,
Kenny Irons (Graeme Branch 46'), Dave Martindale (Jim Harvey 46'), Steve Vickers,
John Morrissey, John Aldridge, Chris Malkin (John McGreal 46'), Ian Muir,
Tony Thomas.
Coach: John King.
New Zealand:
Clint Gosling, Michael Ridenton, Garry Lund, Rodger Gray, Chris Zoricich, Chris
Riley, Robert Ironside, Alun Evans (Thomas Edge 56'), Wynton Rufer, Vaughan
Coveny, Michael McGarry (Shane Rufer 80').
Coach: Ian Marshall (assisted by Kevin Fallon).
Referee:
Terry Lunt (Maghull, England).
Notes:
Conditions were cold with drizzle but the pitch was in a good state. The halftime
score was 2-0. Goal marked x' was the first goal of the second half (apparently before
the hour mark). Graeme Branch scored the seventh and final goal of the match.
Tranmere Rovers played in the Football League Second Division (2nd tier of the English
football league system).
surely that result must rank as one of our worst (if not the worst of all time?).
Some of the players in that team were half decent as well
surely that result must rank as one of our worst (if not the worst of all time?).
Some of the players in that team were half decent as well
It depends on how you define the worst result. But this one is definitely up there
These are the heaviest defeats we have had (in all games)
12-0 v England Amateurs, Dunedin, 1937
12-1 v England Amateurs, Wellington 1937
11-0 v Manchester United, Christchurch, 1967 (Man Utd team included George Best)
10-0 v Australia, Wellington, 1933
8-0 v Nottingham Forest, Nottingham, 1964 (Forest were in Division 1 at the time)
8-1 v Dundee, Dundee, 1979 (apparently the game that made Charlie Dempsey realise John Adshead needed some help and set about getting Kevin Fallon involved)
7-0 v Tranmere Rovers, Wirral, 1992 (Tranmere were Division 2 at the time)
There was also a 7-1 loss to a Bangkok XI in 1964
In terms of worst defeat I would argue that the 2-0 loss to New Caledonia in the 2012 Oceania Nations Cup semi final or the 4-2 loss to Vanuatu (who finished bottom of the group) in the 2004 ONC group stage, were the worst as these were competitive games and the consequences of losing were worse than the ones listed above as these were only friendlies .
To look on the bright side our biggest wins have been
13-0 v Fiji, Auckland, 1981 (Sumner got 6 goals)
12-0 v Samoa, Auckland, 1987
10-0 v Tahiti, Adelaide, 2004
9-0 v New Hebrides (Vanuatu), Nouema, 1951
9-0 v Fiji, Lautoka, 1952
10-2 v Central League Selection, Wellington, 1968
9-1 v Papua New Guinea, Auckland, 2002
8-0 v Tahiti Juniors, Papeete, 1960
8-0 v Indonesia XI, Christchurch, 1975
8-0 v Vanuatu, Auckland, 1992
8-1 v Vanuatu, Brisbane, 1998
7-0 v Samoa, Apia, 1987
7-0 v Papua New Guinea, Auckland, 1997
7-0 v Vanuatu, Auckland, 2001
In terms of worst defeat I would argue that the 2-0 loss to New Caledonia in the 2012 Oceania Nations Cup semi final or the 4-2 loss to Vanuatu (who finished bottom of the group) in the 2004 ONC group stage, were the worst as these were competitive games and the consequences of losing were worse than the ones listed above as these were only friendlies .
Also lost 8-0 v an FA Eleven in 1961,captained by the great Sir Tom Finney...
it's always difficult to assess how strong or weak were were at that time and that tranmere result makes it appear as though we were pretty damn weak.
but positive results against celtic, werder bremen etc say the opposite
we didn't have many pros. but on the other hand, european teams had strict limits on foreigners compared to now
there's no doubt in my mind that many of the all whites from the early nineties would have picked up good pro contracts now
i mean malcolm dunford right!? what a beast of a player
Funny story emerged from this Tranmere match....
Late in the game, the well-beaten All Whites could hear this persistent solo chant coming from one of the stands...
"Bring on Peter Henry; bring on Peter Henry; bring on Peter Henry...."
Which was well weird, because Henry, who last played for the All Whites in 1987, wasn't even in the touring squad.
So a couple of the players took time out to visually track down the instigator of this repetitive but seemingly nonsensical chant... Turns out it was actually Peter Henry himself up in the stand chanting his own name.
They don't make All Whites like that any more.
* Peter Henry played a whole season for Hamilton AFC - had to be last to leave the changing room, and enter the pitch with his long hair wet through. Pretty sure he didn't pass the ball to anyone even once all season, just dribbled till he scored or lost it. A character.
Far out Bruce that is hilarious! What a character. I did read somewhere that he is Cordwainer Bull's favourite player
He also "starred" in the TV commercial for the Say When campaign, including scoring a goal in full North Shore kit and then getting the girl at the nightclub because he wasn't boozed...
Funny story emerged from this Tranmere match....
Late in the game, the well-beaten All Whites could hear this persistent solo chant coming from one of the stands...
"Bring on Peter Henry; bring on Peter Henry; bring on Peter Henry...."
Which was well weird, because Henry, who last played for the All Whites in 1987, wasn't even in the touring squad.
So a couple of the players took time out to visually track down the instigator of this repetitive but seemingly nonsensical chant... Turns out it was actually Peter Henry himself up in the stand chanting his own name.
They don't make All Whites like that any more.
* Peter Henry played a whole season for Hamilton AFC - had to be last to leave the changing room, and enter the pitch with his long hair wet through. Pretty sure he didn't pass the ball to anyone even once all season, just dribbled till he scored or lost it. A character.
Now days they just post here....
Fairly sure Sir Bobby Charlton was also in the Manchester team which played the AWs
Fairly sure Sir Bobby Charlton was also in the Manchester team which played the AWs
Yes he was; in fact Utd were pretty much full strength barring Denis Law. Here's a link to the games v Auckland & New Zealand:
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/manutd-nz67.html
Some interesting players in the Auckland & New Zealand teams: NZ were captained by Graham Bilby and included Mark Burgess. Both were test cricketers/double internationals. Goalkeeper Arthur Stroud was the father of future All White Alan, also a goalie. Also John Legg played in both games: any memories Leggy? Did your love of United start here?
Graham Bilby interview from 2014:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/10128380/On-double-time-with-dual-international-Bibly
He also "starred" in the TV commercial for the Say When campaign, including scoring a goal in full North Shore kit and then getting the girl at the nightclub because he wasn't boozed...
My mum who was a social worker and nurse in Nelson had some involvement in securing the "Say When" sponsorship for football in the 1980's.
She did some work with a Welshman from ALAC, the Alcohol Advisory Council of NZ, who was a big football fan.
Both were big Nelson United supporters. My mum was the team's first-aider in the national league in the late 80's.
The Welshman from ALAC was only too keen to channel funding to football.
Nelson United's national league team in the mid-80's were "Say When Nelson United"
The side's goalkeeper John Brydon owned a nightclub and so had to be very careful about the alcohol thing.
Peter Henry was certainly a legend to us football fans in the 1980's.
South African born I believe (white South African) and good technically with amazing dribbling skills.
Unfortunately, discipline seemed to let him down and he played only a handful of games for NZ.
Fairly sure Sir Bobby Charlton was also in the Manchester team which played the AWs
Yes he was; in fact Utd were pretty much full strength barring Denis Law. Here's a link to the games v Auckland & New Zealand:
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/manutd-nz67.html
Some interesting players in the Auckland & New Zealand teams: NZ were captained by Graham Bilby and included Mark Burgess. Both were test cricketers/double internationals. Goalkeeper Arthur Stroud was the father of future All White Alan, also a goalie. Also John Legg played in both games: any memories Leggy? Did your love of United start here?
Graham Bilby interview from 2014:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/1012838...
My love for Utd started a long time before these games.
The NZ game was under lights and every time Utd went forward they scored.Charlton and Best destroyed our defenders.
Fairly sure Sir Bobby Charlton was also in the Manchester team which played the AWs
And he scored a hat-trick (George Best scored two) including a goal that he and the United players remember to this day.
AW's goalie Arthur Stroud (father of future AW's goalie Alan) was wearing two jerseys in the cold conditions.
As he was feeling too hot, he proceed to take one off during the game, pulling it up over his head.
Bobby Charlton spotted Arthur with his jersey up over his head and chipped him from the half-way line.
Two of the NZ players reminisce about the game here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8706208/The-...
NZ (and the Auckland rep team in the previous match which lost 8-0) was coached by Juan Schwanner, a fascinating character who immigrated here after a playing career at the very top level in his native Hungary, Brazil (at the mighty Flamengo) and Chile (Colo Colo). He was of Hungarian and Chilean parentage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Schwanner
His Hungarian Wikipedia is more detailed:
https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwanner_J%C3%A1nos
He came to NZ after managing Club Brugge in Belgium and returned to Europe to manage Lucerne and FC Zurich in Switzerland.
Schwanner’s first match of ten in charge of NZ was against Manchester United at English Park in Christchurch in May 1967 and he went on to record five wins – including an 8-2 victory over Malaysia in Kuala Lumpur later that year.
According to Wikipedia, Schwanner returned to NZ to settle later in life and passed away in Auckland 8 May 2015 aged 94.
NZ Football obituary:
http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/vale-juan-schwanner/
He coached Blockhouse Bay in Auckland in the 1980's.
Mark Burgess on the Man Utd game:
"Schwanner also coached Auckland, and Burgess says he wanted the team to play positive, attacking football. He remembers Busby generously praising the approach....
Although New Zealand was perpetually on the back foot against such football deities, Burgess says Schwanner again implored them to attack. He deployed the now outmoded 4-2-4 formation..."
After Schwanner left in 1968, former Barcelona, Juventus and PSV Eindhoven coach Lou Brocic took over the All Whites in his second stint in charge (he'd coached the AW's previously in 1962-64):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ljubi%C5%A1a_Bro%C4%...
Brocic had been manager of Barcelona only a year before coming to NZ for his first spell in charge!
He then coached in the Middle East and Australia, passing away in Melbourne in 1995 aged 83.
Fairly sure Sir Bobby Charlton was also in the Manchester team which played the AWs
Yes he was; in fact Utd were pretty much full strength barring Denis Law. Here's a link to the games v Auckland & New Zealand:
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesm/manutd-nz67.html
Some interesting players in the Auckland & New Zealand teams: NZ were captained by Graham Bilby and included Mark Burgess. Both were test cricketers/double internationals. Goalkeeper Arthur Stroud was the father of future All White Alan, also a goalie. Also John Legg played in both games: any memories Leggy? Did your love of United start here?
Graham Bilby interview from 2014:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/1012838...
My love for Utd started a long time before these games.
The NZ game was under lights and every time Utd went forward they scored.Charlton and Best destroyed our defenders.
I was a kid listening to the radio commentary and boy was it thrilling! For the rest of the season, and the next, I was Charlton & Best in my head.
Edit: seem to remember nut-megging All White fullback Gary Lake a few years later, so wasn't just in my head after all!
He also "starred" in the TV commercial for the Say When campaign, including scoring a goal in full North Shore kit and then getting the girl at the nightclub because he wasn't boozed...
My mum who was a social worker and nurse in Nelson had some involvement in securing the "Say When" sponsorship for football in the 1980's.
She did some work with a Welshman from ALAC, the Alcohol Advisory Council of NZ, who was a big football fan.
Both were big Nelson United supporters. My mum was the team's first-aider in the national league in the late 80's.
The Welshman from ALAC was only too keen to channel funding to football.
Nelson United's national league team in the mid-80's were "Say When Nelson United"
The side's goalkeeper John Brydon owned a nightclub and so had to be very careful about the alcohol thing.
Peter Henry was certainly a legend to us football fans in the 1980's.
South African born I believe (white South African) and good technically with amazing dribbling skills.
Unfortunately, discipline seemed to let him down and he played only a handful of games for NZ.
Pretty sure Peter Henry was born in the UK and lived in South Africa.
I knew him reasonably well as I used to pick him up for football training twice/tree times a week. I worked in Kingsland and he lived in Sandringham so it was not out of my way. He had no car and it would have been impossible for him to get to training in Otatuhu ( Courier Rangers) He was a rebel but one of the most talented players I have ever know.
He left Courier and went to North Shore where the then coach Don Jones gave him a job at his service station in Albany so he could keep an eye on him. I lost touch with him but I know he got divorced and his ex wife married another top player- Tony Jasper.
Interesting comments about Charlie Dempsey and his progressive thinking (for those days).
From my recollection that profit that Auckland made from the Man Utd game was invested in facilities at Newmarket Park - pity it all fell down the gully 10 years or so later !
And so the latest UK Tour '92 programme to arrive...
I believe this was the third game of the tour (after St. Albans City and Celtic)? The details are:
Friendly
Feb 5, Southend, 2000
Southend United 4-2 New Zealand
(Ian Benjamin 2' pen, John Cornwell 12', Andy Sussex 47', Keith Jones 50'
- Heremaia Ngata 42', Billy Wright)
Southend United (England):
Paul Sansome, Dean Austin (Heffer 70'), Chris Powell, Peter Butler, Pat Scully, Andy
Edwards, Keith Jones, John Cornwell (Adam Locke 70'), Kevin O'Callaghan, Ian Benjamin,
Andy Sussex (Mark Hall 50').
Coach: David Webb.
New Zealand:
Clint Gosling (Michael Utting 75'), Robert Ironside, Garry Lund, Rodger Gray,
Chris Zoricich, Michael McGarry, Chris Riley, Michael Ridenton (Jason New 46'),
Heremaia Ngata, Vaughan Coveny (Thomas Edge 60'), Carl Jorgensen (Billy Wright 46').
Coach: Ian Marshall (assisted by Kevin Fallon).
Referee: David Axcell (Great Wakering, England).
Notes: Conditions were fine: cool and calm with the pitch in excellent condition.
Wright's goal was scored "late". Southend United played in the Football League
Second Division (2nd tier of the English football league system).
Always loved the cover of the St Albans v NZ programme from 92.... Roy of the Rovers-esque.
Evening all - two new clips from the early 80s. Visit channel and subscribe :) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4UbNVwVuNWskyzoZ...
He also "starred" in the TV commercial for the Say When campaign, including scoring a goal in full North Shore kit and then getting the girl at the nightclub because he wasn't boozed...
My mum who was a social worker and nurse in Nelson had some involvement in securing the "Say When" sponsorship for football in the 1980's.
She did some work with a Welshman from ALAC, the Alcohol Advisory Council of NZ, who was a big football fan.
Both were big Nelson United supporters. My mum was the team's first-aider in the national league in the late 80's.
The Welshman from ALAC was only too keen to channel funding to football.
Nelson United's national league team in the mid-80's were "Say When Nelson United"
The side's goalkeeper John Brydon owned a nightclub and so had to be very careful about the alcohol thing.
Peter Henry was certainly a legend to us football fans in the 1980's.
South African born I believe (white South African) and good technically with amazing dribbling skills.
Unfortunately, discipline seemed to let him down and he played only a handful of games for NZ.
Pretty sure Peter Henry was born in the UK and lived in South Africa.
I knew him reasonably well as I used to pick him up for football training twice/tree times a week. I worked in Kingsland and he lived in Sandringham so it was not out of my way. He had no car and it would have been impossible for him to get to training in Otatuhu ( Courier Rangers) He was a rebel but one of the most talented players I have ever know.
He left Courier and went to North Shore where the then coach Don Jones gave him a job at his service station in Albany so he could keep an eye on him. I lost touch with him but I know he got divorced and his ex wife married another top player- Tony Jasper.
Nice Che Bunce profile: https://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/people-in-the-law/lawyer-profiles/mice-conundrum-for-a-former-all-white-with-a-revolutionary-name?utm_source=NZLS+Weekly&utm_campaign=beae9c070c-2017-04-06_LawPoints-366&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_899863399d-beae9c070c-36487433
Not a bad write up
Has anyone got a spare copy of the programme from the match against Fiji in March this year please? I've got all the homes since 2005 except this one and you'd think this one would be easy to get. More than happy to pay for it. Cheers.
Hi everyone, couple of new clips uploaded to channel, including this World Cup qualifer from 1985 - "we wuz robbed"...
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Hi everyone, couple of new clips uploaded to channel, including this World Cup qualifer from 1985 - "we wuz robbed"...
Subscribe to channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4UbNVwVuNWskyzo...
A very good watch, thanks Khalil. Impressed with Kevin Fallon's words at the end too.
Hi everyone, couple of new clips uploaded to channel, including this World Cup qualifer from 1985 - "we wuz robbed"...
Subscribe to channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4UbNVwVuNWskyzo...
A very good watch, thanks Khalil. Impressed with Kevin Fallon's words at the end too.
Not too often people are impressed with Kevin Fallon's comments.
shame about the hair.
shame about the hair.
Almost as good as Declan's!
couple of other clips: return match with Australia in 85:
and qualifier v Taiwan in late 1988 - Wynton appeared during holiday trip home from Germany :)
Have now added a playlist for the World Cup qualifiers from 1985 (apologies, no footage from the last match away in Israel):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8aDhxPE4J9...
Some pretty cool action, and the team almost did enough to reach the playoff v Scotland... almost.
Hey Milts, great coverage as always! Do you have the full 90 from the home match v Australia in 85? Ive only got the first 60 mins.
Hi everyone, couple of new clips uploaded to channel, including this World Cup qualifer from 1985 - "we wuz robbed"...
Subscribe to channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4UbNVwVuNWskyzo...
absolute quality
i laughed when kosmina tried to pick a fight with allan boath, not a good idea
Hi everyone, have uploaded highlights from our last playoff series, v Mexico.
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