I don't really care about swearing in general (ie. at yourself for shithouse pass, or to own teammate etc), but when it is directed at an official, you've overstepped the line.
So when a player gets chopped in a tackle and another screams ohhh fucking hell ref ?
Yeah well that's a bit different as it's not combined with an insult.
Fucking damn kids.
Isn't all this about players taking responsibility for their actions? Stop being a dick and you won't get suspended. Pretty simple.
perhaps ban any speaking at football pitches?
Stop being a dickhead and launch an argument for why you should be able to abuse refs. If that is what you truly believe.
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
I love the way these debates always tend to focus on the fairness/consistency of the punishments handed out (the implication being CF are "shit" or "wrong" or "a shambles") rather than the root cause of the problem - players being dicks.
Yes, referees need to show common sense sometimes and, yes, CF will occasionally hand out an unreasonable punishment but ffs don't put yourself in their hands in the first place. The majority of players and coaches manage to get through the season without getting in any trouble at all, so what's your excuse? And if you do get genuinely treated unfairly just suck it up. Life's unfair sometimes but it's only football, it's not like you're being sent to prison.
I think Greenie's point (if he has one) is that there is a distinction to be drawn between saying something mildly sweary to an official, and abuse.
For example, currently what you've said above ("stop being a dick") would get you a four week ban. But you've used it in every day conversation, as we all do, so that 4 weeks off seems a bit ridiculous.
Nobody is arguing that you should be able to get up in a ref's face and abuse him (like I did...) or chase him to the changing rooms (like Declan). But saying to a linesman in the heat of the moment "come on mate are you fucking blind" is hardly a 4 week ban offence is it?
If that linesman turned around and said "fuck off mate you can't see anything from where you're sitting" then fair play to him too.
I mean, how thin skinned can you be?
We apparently 'fucking blind' is what the person said, but we that came from Feverish so who knows how true it is.
I guess if you get people giving you shit every time you ref it would wear pretty thin pretty quickly.
Calling a ref blind is not banter though is it? You can say that to your mates and its banter but not a match official. Shouldn't be any confusion about where the line is there.
Edit.Basically word for word with 2b. As you were.
I think Greenie's point (if he has one) is that there is a distinction to be drawn between saying something mildly sweary to an official, and abuse.
For example, currently what you've said above ("stop being a dick") would get you a four week ban. But you've used it in every day conversation, as we all do, so that 4 weeks off seems a bit ridiculous.
Nobody is arguing that you should be able to get up in a ref's face and abuse him (like I did...) or chase him to the changing rooms (like Declan). But saying to a linesman in the heat of the moment "come on mate are you fucking blind" is hardly a 4 week ban offence is it?
If that linesman turned around and said "fuck off mate you can't see anything from where you're sitting" then fair play to him too.
I mean, how thin skinned can you be?
We apparently 'fucking blind' is what the person said, but we that came from Feverish so who knows how true it is.
I guess if you get people giving you shit every time you ref it would wear pretty thin pretty quickly.
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
Let's give Feverish full credit - the "passion is not a crime" card was thrown in there as well. Straight out of the RBB play-book, kudos.
All players have agreed to the NZF Code of Conduct by playing, which states, among other things, that they agree to:
If a player tells a ref that they are "fucking blind" then they deserve whatever punishment they get.
When/how have they agreed to it?
The following Code of Conduct applies to all NZF members and persons participating in NZ Football activities."
I was told that I had to agree to it when I got involved in Capital Football competitions, so I assumed that due to the wording on NZF's website as well as the wording the document that players also had to agree to it when signing up for NZF/Cap Football competitions. I was probably wrong though.
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
The clubs have a responsibility here too and I seriously hope clubs aren't backing up players who cop a ban/fine for mouthing off. If 1/10 punishments is harsh in context that's not bad. Nine others might have got a wake up call.
You don't have to agree to the Code of Conduct - if you are involved in any NZF competitions in any capacity you are subject to it. It's like the road rules.
Anyway, that shouldn't even be relevant. We aren't seriously arguing that the code of conduct is unreasonable are we? Or that players/coaches should be able to exempt themselves from it?
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
A player got carded for calling himself a muppet on the weekend. Also a case where someone genuinely was having banter with a ref which ended in a ban. There have been a lot of calls in the past two years that have been wrongly punished (in my eyes). Then there was the incident where a spectator made up a complete fabrication and went to CF. As an administrator who has to deal with all this it is a waste of resources. But as Term says suck it up. #pashunisnotacrime
If it was truly banter then surely the ref wouldn't have reported it.
Maybe some people who think they have good banter need to improve the standard of their banter.
If you've ever listened to team speeches at your average club you'll know there are a lot of deeply unfunny people in the local footy scene (who tragically don't seem to recognise that fact).
Say no to shit banter.
Getting booked for calling yourself a muppet is very harsh.
But then that's not really what's being debated is it?
Harsh if true. Could definitely see scenarios where refs think it was directed at them though.
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
A player got carded for calling himself a muppet on the weekend. Also a case where someone genuinely was having banter with a ref which ended in a ban. There have been a lot of calls in the past two years that have been wrongly punished (in my eyes). Then there was the incident where a spectator made up a complete fabrication and went to CF. As an administrator who has to deal with all this it is a waste of resources. But as Term says suck it up. #pashunisnotacrime
If it was truly banter then surely the ref wouldn't have reported it.
Look, this situation is obviously getting a bit out of hand so as someone who is funny as fuck I am prepared to do my civic duty and form a Volunteer Banter Squad. Similar to Neighbourhood Watch we will patrol the region's football grounds and clubrooms with the aim of intervening early in situations of questionable banter before things escalate out of control. If we hear any shit banter or even observe a situation where banter is likely to occur we will jump in and offer best practice banter advice & guidance to the banterers so that the optimal banter outcomes can be achieved. We might even print pre-prepared banter sheets and hand them out before games.
I recall Feverish being sent off for saying "f...." when all he did was shoot
over the bar. Trouble was it was in the HP and he was filling in for the seconds
who didn't have another game for a month, so he had to sit out four first XI games
until the seconds played again.
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
A player got carded for calling himself a muppet on the weekend. Also a case where someone genuinely was having banter with a ref which ended in a ban. There have been a lot of calls in the past two years that have been wrongly punished (in my eyes). Then there was the incident where a spectator made up a complete fabrication and went to CF. As an administrator who has to deal with all this it is a waste of resources. But as Term says suck it up. #pashunisnotacrime
If it was truly banter then surely the ref wouldn't have reported it.
You would have hoped so. Haven't seen the 80 year old ref from chch again fortunately.
I'm sure you guys can say if ten percent are harshly done by then all good - as you don't have to deal with it..
I remember reffing a pre-season match this year, where a player told me I was rubbish when I called him for a foul throw, then continued to berate me every time he thought I got a call wrong in his eyes. He also told a couple of the opposition players that he would find them in the carpark after the game, all while his son was watching the game from the sidelines. After the match at the handshakes, he said to me "Sorry about that ref, it was just banter".
I was genuinely shocked that he thought he could get away with saying whatever he wanted during the match to officials and opposition players and then justify it by saying it was just banter.
I remember reffing a pre-season match this year, where a player told me I was rubbish when I called him for a foul throw, then continued to berate me every time he thought I got a call wrong in his eyes. He also told a couple of the opposition players that he would find them in the carpark after the game, all while his son was watching the game from the sidelines. After the match at the handshakes, he said to me "Sorry about that ref, it was just banter".
I was genuinely shocked that he thought he could get away with saying whatever he wanted during the match to officials and opposition players and then justify it by saying it was just banter.
Harsh if true. Could definitely see scenarios where refs think it was directed at them though.
Was wondering how long it would take before you played the banter card. Banter is between friends where you know what their threshold for tolerance is. Telling someone you don't know they aren't good at their job is not banter.
Who has been banned for cursing at themselves?
A player got carded for calling himself a muppet on the weekend. Also a case where someone genuinely was having banter with a ref which ended in a ban. There have been a lot of calls in the past two years that have been wrongly punished (in my eyes). Then there was the incident where a spectator made up a complete fabrication and went to CF. As an administrator who has to deal with all this it is a waste of resources. But as Term says suck it up. #pashunisnotacrime
If it was truly banter then surely the ref wouldn't have reported it.
You would have hoped so. Haven't seen the 80 year old ref from chch again fortunately.
I'm sure you guys can say if ten percent are harshly done by then all good - as you don't have to deal with it..
Maybe if the referees were better there wouldn't be so much abuse fired at them. It's a two-way street isn't it?
Or are we genuinely saying that you cannot question or comment on any refereeing decisions, no matter their quality?
Notably, there is no process by which you can appeal or comment on the decisions or quality of a referee. They receive no feedback from players, administrators or fans. They just live in a bubble.
I remember reffing a pre-season match this year, where a player told me I was rubbish when I called him for a foul throw, then continued to berate me every time he thought I got a call wrong in his eyes. He also told a couple of the opposition players that he would find them in the carpark after the game, all while his son was watching the game from the sidelines. After the match at the handshakes, he said to me "Sorry about that ref, it was just banter".
I was genuinely shocked that he thought he could get away with saying whatever he wanted during the match to officials and opposition players and then justify it by saying it was just banter.
thin skinned? :)
Nah, just shit banter.
Classic case of where Banter Squad could have intervened early and helped this fool improve the quality of his banter.
The more I think about it the more I think this is a good idea. Need some high-vis vests though.
Maybe if the referees were better there wouldn't be so much abuse fired at them. It's a two-way street isn't it?
if that was the case, there wouldn't be any abuse of referees at the top level. And we know that isn't the case. Half the problem is that most players know sweet f all about the actual laws of the game.
I remember reffing a pre-season match this year, where a player told me I was rubbish when I called him for a foul throw, then continued to berate me every time he thought I got a call wrong in his eyes. He also told a couple of the opposition players that he would find them in the carpark after the game, all while his son was watching the game from the sidelines. After the match at the handshakes, he said to me "Sorry about that ref, it was just banter".
I was genuinely shocked that he thought he could get away with saying whatever he wanted during the match to officials and opposition players and then justify it by saying it was just banter.
thin skinned? :)
Nah, just shit banter.
Classic case of where Banter Squad could have intervened early and helped this fool improve the quality of his banter.
The more I think about it the more I think this is a good idea. Need some high-vis vests though.
Maybe if the referees were better there wouldn't be so much abuse fired at them. It's a two-way street isn't it?
if that was the case, there wouldn't be any abuse of referees at the top level. And we know that isn't the case. Half the problem is that most players know sweet f all about the actual laws of the game.
Its an interesting conversation.
Are we talking about every case here or the anomaly? I suspect it's the anomaly and while guys in Cap 5 might think the referee is a bit shit, he is at that level for a reason....much like the players are.... so the balances of skill levels are well matched.
Invariably though to address the point you raise about not being able to question or comment on refereeing decisions it's never just a query of a referees decision cause I've never seen any player go 'oh well actually ref you were right, best I bugger off'. It always goes further so you kinda have to draw the line at 'No, you can't question it'. I guess its the same for teachers and police. You occasionally get bad ones but on the whole, most know what they are doing and you kinda have to take what they say as gospel whether you like it or not because once you get into the questioning state, you start a little bit of chaos.
I might also add that from my armchair, remote and mysky, I'm one of the best referees and reviews that ever lived but its interesting to note how many commentators view an incident live and think the referee has had a howler only to see the replay and go 'um well actually'. The same would happen in a game many a time. I think once you start a process whereby you can question a referees decision then where/when does it stop? Look at the farce of cricket because umpires in that sport are no more than just jumper holders now so whats the point? Then again, there is always Ben Williams so.....
I'd take 2-3 referee errors (and I'm talking minor stuff like getting a throw in the wrong way) over some players whom over the course of 20 passes, fuck up 10 of them... Did someone mention Tim Payne last Friday night?
The differences is I don't need to make myself feel superior by telling a ref he is rubbish.
Refs make mistakes. As do players. I've thought a ref has got a decision wrong, only for me to be proven wrong on replay. That's the nature of sport. Most of these mistakes do not directly influence the outcome of the game. And let's say they do, we are talking about park football. It really doesn't matter that much.
I'm just waiting for 2ndBest to announce he is becoming a ref. Only then will his banter make sense
Maybe if the referees were better there wouldn't be so much abuse fired at them. It's a two-way street isn't it?
if that was the case, there wouldn't be any abuse of referees at the top level. And we know that isn't the case. Half the problem is that most players know sweet f all about the actual laws of the game.
Smithy says refs live in a bubble and their decisions are never challenged.
I rather thought there are lots of assessors at lots of games taking lots of
notes, and I understand they are fairly tough when it comes to pointing out errors.
Smithy says refs live in a bubble and their decisions are never challenged.
I rather thought there are lots of assessors at lots of games taking lots of
notes, and I understand they are fairly tough when it comes to pointing out errors.
Smithy says refs live in a bubble and their decisions are never challenged.
I rather thought there are lots of assessors at lots of games taking lots of
notes, and I understand they are fairly tough when it comes to pointing out errors.
The differences is I don't need to make myself feel superior by telling a ref he is rubbish.
Refs make mistakes. As do players. I've thought a ref has got a decision wrong, only for me to be proven wrong on replay. That's the nature of sport. Most of these mistakes do not directly influence the outcome of the game. And let's say they do, we are talking about park football. It really doesn't matter that much.
As far as I'm aware, no one has been banned for 4 weeks for saying 'fucking hell ref'.
As far as I'm aware, no one has been banned for 4 weeks for saying 'fucking hell ref'.
