I'm with Feverish on this, and I'm as impartial as you can get. Players should play for one club per season, not getting dropped to other clubs some weekends and then back up into TT when it suits.
If TT want to be able to drop players down to other leagues they should have a reserve team like every other club has to.
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Players not selected of their clubs CL side just don't play? or do they play for the reserve side, whether that be cap prem, 1, 2 ???
Is there a difference. Isn't the Central Football league called the Federation league?
I don't know what the fudge it's called but there is difference. Reserve teams can't get promoted to CL
So CL sides can in theory use an unlimited number of players throughout the season so long as the club they play for manage the movement of players up and down grades correctly according to the rules. <Snip>
But only an unlimited number from the same club.
Team Naki can pick and choose players from any club in the region and move them in and out of the team as they like. At least that's how I understand it.
Petone or Karori can't do that.
It's an uneven playing field (much like Karori Park).
I understand it was done on purpose back in the day but it still sucks if you're Karori this year.
If Team Taranaki go straight back down I reckon it's time to revisit the rules.
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The rule could set the president for Team Karori entering the central league: I'm sure they would love to have the ability to offer a CL player spot for any local clubs Premier sides to cover injury and strengthen player base up to and as at 30th June.
( I do understand The Wgtn Phoenix were declined an entry as not a club. Hence Wgtn United)
The funding claim is poor as NCR, PN Marist and Wairapa can get pub charity funding as clubs from a region and not a "Rep Team"
Word (memory) a few year back was Wanganui City qualified but declined the option to go to Central League on finance and player depth. (later rumors of feilding an ineligible player during the season never went anywhere)
Rules governing eligibility of Representative Teams in the CL.
1. Representative Teams will be accepted into the CL on a case by case basis. Such entries will only be accepted by the CL Committee whereby a Representative Team enables an area within the Capital Football or Central Football Federations to participate in the CL, and it could not participate if only club teams were eligible.
2. Although such admissions will be granted with a long-term view they will only be granted for one year at a time. The most likely causes for the CL Committee refusing to extend a Representative Team’s admission will be that team having achieved results so outstanding that it clearly has an unfair advantage over nonRepresentative Teams, or that team abusing the privilege of a representative entry into the CL. The following rules will apply to all representative teams allowed to participate in the CL.
3. Players must be registered to a local club within the region they are representing.
4. Players will play for the representative team for the duration of the season but can play local football if not required by the CL team for that weekend.
5. Players can play either in CL or local league in any one weekend but not both.
6. Squad lists will be limited to 24 at any point in time and will be given to The Manager as per regulation 3.
7. All changes to the squad list must be made via the local administrator to The Manager and must comply with the time frame prescribed in Regulation 2.1.
8. No changes to the squad list will be accepted after 30 June each year.
9. Suspensions arising from red cards or the accumulation of yellow cards shall be served in accordance with NZF Regulation 7.
10. All other rules in regulation 3 apply in regards to player eligibility
Given people's complaints, and the fact regional teams struggle with a small population base, the "Central League" seems a bit of a dead duck?
The rule could set the president for Team Karori entering the central league: I'm sure they would love to have the ability to offer a CL player spot for any local clubs Premier sides to cover injury and strengthen player base up to and as at 30th June.
( I do understand The Wgtn Phoenix were declined an entry as not a club. Hence Wgtn United)
The funding claim is poor as NCR, PN Marist and Wairapa can get pub charity funding as clubs from a region and not a "Rep Team"
Word (memory) a few year back was Wanganui City qualified but declined the option to go to Central League on finance and player depth. (later rumors of feilding an ineligible player during the season never went anywhere)
Rules governing eligibility of Representative Teams in the CL.
1. Representative Teams will be accepted into the CL on a case by case basis. Such entries will only be accepted by the CL Committee whereby a Representative Team enables an area within the Capital Football or Central Football Federations to participate in the CL, and it could not participate if only club teams were eligible.
2. Although such admissions will be granted with a long-term view they will only be granted for one year at a time. The most likely causes for the CL Committee refusing to extend a Representative Team’s admission will be that team having achieved results so outstanding that it clearly has an unfair advantage over nonRepresentative Teams, or that team abusing the privilege of a representative entry into the CL. The following rules will apply to all representative teams allowed to participate in the CL.
3. Players must be registered to a local club within the region they are representing.
4. Players will play for the representative team for the duration of the season but can play local football if not required by the CL team for that weekend.
5. Players can play either in CL or local league in any one weekend but not both.
6. Squad lists will be limited to 24 at any point in time and will be given to The Manager as per regulation 3.
7. All changes to the squad list must be made via the local administrator to The Manager and must comply with the time frame prescribed in Regulation 2.1.
8. No changes to the squad list will be accepted after 30 June each year.
9. Suspensions arising from red cards or the accumulation of yellow cards shall be served in accordance with NZF Regulation 7.
10. All other rules in regulation 3 apply in regards to player eligibility
now see. unlike others (at a guess a very passionate and verging on irrational feverish) i had read these regs/rules when i posted about a CL side being able to use any of its club players if managed up and down effectively. TT can only call from a 'limited' pool of 24 players. They can't just go and call on any players from the Taranaki clubs (you're fudging stupid if feeling threatened by a local player base from a local league). So your argument that TT can just use anyone is well flawed. NCR have a very capable reserve side that plays in the Pacific (east) premiership, won it convincingly and also won the Central Football Federation Cup with a 7-1 win over Red Sox (who happened to play in the Federation League with TT).
It's not complaints about the CL, which is not the highest league in our federation.
It is about what is seen as as an unfair advantage for 1 team over the the clubs participating in the Central/Capital Federations top league.
IMHO
Winning Central League is just a cup with a history. lol
now see. unlike others (at a guess a very passionate and verging on irrational feverish) i had read these regs/rules when i posted about a CL side being able to use any of its club players if managed up and down effectively. TT can only call from a 'limited' pool of 24 players. They can't just go and call on any players from the Taranaki clubs (you're fudging stupid if feeling threatened by a local player base from a local league). So your argument that TT can just use anyone is well flawed. NCR have a very capable reserve side that plays in the Pacific (east) premiership, won it convincingly and also won the Central Football Federation Cup with a 7-1 win over Red Sox (who happened to play in the Federation League with TT).
The rule could set the president for Team Karori entering the central league: I'm sure they would love to have the ability to offer a CL player spot for any local clubs Premier sides to cover injury and strengthen player base up to and as at 30th June.
( I do understand The Wgtn Phoenix were declined an entry as not a club. Hence Wgtn United)
The funding claim is poor as NCR, PN Marist and Wairapa can get pub charity funding as clubs from a region and not a "Rep Team"
Word (memory) a few year back was Wanganui City qualified but declined the option to go to Central League on finance and player depth. (later rumors of feilding an ineligible player during the season never went anywhere)
Rules governing eligibility of Representative Teams in the CL.
1. Representative Teams will be accepted into the CL on a case by case basis. Such entries will only be accepted by the CL Committee whereby a Representative Team enables an area within the Capital Football or Central Football Federations to participate in the CL, and it could not participate if only club teams were eligible.
2. Although such admissions will be granted with a long-term view they will only be granted for one year at a time. The most likely causes for the CL Committee refusing to extend a Representative Team’s admission will be that team having achieved results so outstanding that it clearly has an unfair advantage over nonRepresentative Teams, or that team abusing the privilege of a representative entry into the CL. The following rules will apply to all representative teams allowed to participate in the CL.
3. Players must be registered to a local club within the region they are representing.
4. Players will play for the representative team for the duration of the season but can play local football if not required by the CL team for that weekend.
5. Players can play either in CL or local league in any one weekend but not both.
6. Squad lists will be limited to 24 at any point in time and will be given to The Manager as per regulation 3.
7. All changes to the squad list must be made via the local administrator to The Manager and must comply with the time frame prescribed in Regulation 2.1.
8. No changes to the squad list will be accepted after 30 June each year.
9. Suspensions arising from red cards or the accumulation of yellow cards shall be served in accordance with NZF Regulation 7.
10. All other rules in regulation 3 apply in regards to player eligibility
my point (for the simple ones out there) was merely around the implications for another Taranaki team , in which TT players are registered, entering the central federation league (or whatever it is called). Specifically for next year - NP Rangers. Sensible comments welcome.
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
my point (for the simple ones out there) was merely around the implications for another Taranaki team , in which TT players are registered, entering the central federation league (or whatever it is called). Specifically for next year - NP Rangers. Sensible comments welcome.
If the other Central League clubs had agreed, I think The NIX would have been in CL as Wgtn Phoenix and not a club. And with acceptance an Rep team could enter the league with Federation approval - IMO
Cant remember how often the Central League committee meet or when the 2 federations decide who will manage the league.
But review time is due as "Red Socks, PN Marist, NCR, Masonvale, and Wairarapa prove clubs in their own right can sustain a positions in the league based on player quality..
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
a couple of questions should be asked of the cl committee
1 when will team taranaki be forced to become a club
2 why was wairarapa united FORCED to be come a club
is it one rule for central teams and one for capital teams
Another way to put it might be: do are league structures support our goals - of a club based player pyramid?
a couple of questions should be asked of the cl committee
1 when will team taranaki be forced to become a club
2 why was wairarapa united FORCED to be come a club
is it one rule for central teams and one for capital teams
a couple of questions should be asked of the cl committee
1 when will team taranaki be forced to become a club
2 why was wairarapa united FORCED to be come a club
is it one rule for central teams and one for capital teams
Time for Off Season relaunch of CF Govenance
Could players from Wellington, registered for Wellington clubs also play for TT if named in the 24 at the start of the season?
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
Well, for a start: how many teams does it have? Does it have its own junior teams?
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
Well, for a start: how many teams does it have? Does it have its own junior teams?
And ask that question of all the SS Premiership teams / clubs
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can't remember the last time you got any karma for a post as most of what you say is utter garbage
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
Well, for a start: how many teams does it have? Does it have its own junior teams?
At the risk of interrupting my popcorn binge, is this discussion missing the wood for the kauri? Is NZ's cultural/historical penchant for egalitarianism, and our awkward geography and topography, obstructing the goals football should be trying to achieve - a strong club based pyramid? Instead, national and regional administrators hold a view, rarely challenged and almost sacrosanct, that each provincial region will be represented - in part largely because rugby has historically organised that way (for good reasons) and it has served rugby well. The small country towns where Meads and McCaw hail from continue to be part of regional rugby's (ex club, now school/franchise) system.
NZF's federation model is a construct, in part, of such historical/cultural/geographical 'fixtures' - but does it still serve us well? Should a rep team from the naki really be part of a club based regional league? Is wairarapa really a club? Why are southern united playing in supposedly our top national league? Why can't a real Canterbury or Wellington club play in the nation's top league? Our administrative and financial structures are yet to complement NZFs WOF plan that promotes a national club league - which in itself still has some way to go.
Off topic I know, and probably clumsily communicated, but just wondering aloud whether the discussion is missing the bigger picture. I'll be back to my popcorn now.
Well, for a start: how many teams does it have? Does it have its own junior teams?
Well that's me told!
I thought, back in the day anyway, that it was just the first team.
Franklin United - which is effectively 'team rural southern auckland' (Waiuku + Pukekohe) - play in the Chatham Cup with no fuss, and regs alllow for rep teams - isn't TT's issue there that the actual Taranaki clubs want to play in it, so they as a team incluyding them all, can't?
Wairarapa United is probably a good example of a successful amalgamation of the region coming together to allow committed footballers to play at the highest level. Particularly in a rural province where sheer numbers in the early to mid 90's prevented ongoing competitiveness on a regular basis. Yes initially the team was a regional team with one women's and two men's teams involved. No juniors teams to start with but that followed. The women were successful on the back of funding. The men were a little slower to get to the stage they're at now with funding the backing required to get there. Junior teams were also established and teams travelled to compete in the Wellington leagues. Now the club has transformed into what it is today and a lot of hard work, and smart thinking has enabled this to happen. Plus of course the funding necessary to get there. Let's hope Taranaki for the sake of their region and for the interest of Central League football can transform into an ongoing competitive team at all levels. Well done on promotion to CL and good luck for the future.
mate Wairarapa United has MONEYYYYYYYYYYYY, and used to paid players heaps of money, men's and women's...
And on something of a positive note....
https://www.facebook.com/UpperHuttCityFootball/pho...
Fozzy confirmed at Upper Hutt next year
looking a bit too happy with your runners up cup Ryan.... maybe next year ah mate...
In probably the most unsurprising news of the off season, North Wellington have today announced that their Football Development Officer, Ben Sigmund, will play for the club next season.
So North Welly early favorites for the title this year? Or can Whafies recover from their meltdown at the end of last season and finally get promoted?
table predictions?
Karori
Petone
Wests
Upper Hutt
Olympic
North Wellington
Island Bay
Tawa
Lower Hutt
Karori don't really have much to recover from. Was only one game at the end that cost them promotion, not like they lost their seemingly unassailable lead at the top of the table or anything.
Picking Karori top again.
is their a team from wainui that has all ex pat poms it maybe a hutt valley lot this goes back 20 yrs or so
Gee CapitaI Premier is very open this year. I see it as a four way go between North Wellington, Upper Hutt, Petone and Karori not necessarily in that order
Karori don't really have much to recover from. Was only one game at the end that cost them promotion, not like they lost their seemingly unassailable lead at the top of the table or anything.
Picking Karori top again.
They almost did, they needed 4 points from their last 3 games and only managed to secure the title in their last game and won the title by only 2 points from Wests
Saying that I think the fact they have held on to Leo Villa and Facundo Babero will see them finish 1st
my picks
Wharfies
North Wellington
Wests
Island Bay
Upper Hutt
Petone
BNU
Tawa
Olympic
Lower Hutt
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