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Nelson is known for getting behind sport, take the Nelson Giants for example. But in my opinion after growing up here, it's definately a football city. Support would not be a problem.
With a multi million dollar upgrade to Saxton Field in the past year they have good facilities.
The talent Nelson has produced is right up there. Jeremy Brockie, Tom Lancester, and NZ age grade players Coey Turipa, Jamie Doris, Matt Shaw, Adam Smith, Alex Ridsdale.
In Nayland College they have a high school who reguarly finishes in the top five at Nationals and will continue to produce more star players.
Nelson's current squad is top of the Mainland premier league which features many Canterbury NZFC players.
It's like people saying 'A-League for Christchurch'. It needs someone local to make it happen, not just an expectation that New Zealand Football or the FFA (in CHrischurch's case) should be responsible for it.
Luis Garcia2010-07-11 18:19:40
Did Herbet play for Suburbs?
With a multi million dollar upgrade to Saxton Field in the past year they have good facilities.
The talent Nelsen has produced is right up there. Jeremy Brockie, Tom Lancester, and NZ age grade players Coey Turipa, Jamie Doris, Matt Shaw, Adam Smith, Alex Ridsdale.
With a multi million dollar upgrade to Saxton Field in the past year they have good facilities.
The talent Nelsen has produced is right up there. Jeremy Brockie, Tom Lancester, and NZ age grade players Coey Turipa, Jamie Doris, Matt Shaw, Adam Smith, Alex Ridsdale.
None of the secondary school games were played on the main field. NZFC crowds aren't huge. I'm sure it'd handle the numbers.
As for the players, Tom Lancester starts for Canterbury and made the NZFC selection XI that trialled against the All whites. The rest of the players I mentioned are all under 18. The point I was making is that Nelsen is developing young players. All play for New Zealand for their age. Turipa is the starting New Zealand U20 keeper and trains with the Phoenix, if there was a Phoenix Youth team he'd be in it. Adam Smith was one of the key members of the championship winning U19 Canterbury side. Had two assists in the final. Gagame Feni is the top young striker in the country, won golden boot at secondary school nationals last year, he would have made the Canterbury squad had he been old enough. Jamie Doris though plays for Hibs academy in Scotland.
If the NZFC was to expand, Nelsen would be an ideal new team due to the fact top players are always coming through the ranks.
mate u have some awesome Nelsen-tinted spectacles there.
Yeah Jamie Doris is at Hibs. Gagame Feni and Jerry Donga are two Solomon Islanders attending Nayland College. Gagame though is only 17 so isn't allowed to play Mainland Football, but he looks like a real talent. Won the Golden Boot at nationals last year.
Gagame though is only 17 so isn't allowed to play Mainland Football, but he looks like a real talent. Won the Golden Boot at nationals last year.
Who do you get the MPL rules from?
He can play in the Mainland Premier League but any club wanting to play a Junior aged grade player needs to apply to Mainland Football before playing the player.
Oh, and as far as him playing for Canterbury United in last years NZFC did Keith tell you he would have been in the squad?
Here's the link: http://www.stuff.co.nz/Nelsen-mail/sport/3719110/Suburbs-refuse-to-back-downVimFuego2010-07-19 20:37:32
Originally Gagame was asked to train with the Canterbury squad pre-season for a weekend. Brendon Crichton who coachs Gagame at Nayland College was heading down with our athletics team for nationals. So it fit in perfect for Gagame to travel with us. When we came to get him he was then asked if he would like to stay down there instead of returning back for the rest of the school holidays. But as he only thought it was for the weekend he had hardly any gear with him and came back to Nelsen. Gagame returned on many occasions to train with the NZFC team specifically. If he's being asked to come from Nelsen to Christchurch just to train with the squad it's fair to say had he been eligible that he would play. Which Brendon Crichton had been told by the Canterbury coaches.
With Nelsen being spelt with an e on here the links won't work so here is some quotes from articles in the Nelsen mail and Marlborough express
"The Marlborough Mariners have moved up the Nelsen division one football standings before kicking a ball this weekend with competition leaders Nelsen Suburbs First XI docked 13 points for fielding an ineligible player.
Suburbs has been stripped of points from five matches in which Gagame Feni, a 17-year-old of Solomon Island heritage who has spent nearly three years at Nayland College, made an appearance.
Fifa and New Zealand Football rules prevent those aged under-18 and who are living in a country where their parents do not reside, from playing top-level football."
Feni did not play when the Mariners lost 2-3 to Suburbs and remain on 14 competition points but now sit third on the table as Suburbs have tumbled from first to seventh.
Mariners coach Vince Binding said he only heard about the situation last night at training and was unsure if Feni had played against them, but was happy to take any points that were on offer.
"It would be nice to get some points, but at the end of the day he's a 17 year old and just one player. As far as I see it they beat us on the day and were the better team, but if we get given points I'm not complaining."
Nelsen Suburbs are vowing to continue playing Feni, a devastating striker who has already caught the eye of those in the Canterbury and national set-ups and has been playing without issue since arriving in Nelsen.
However, his possible ineligibility came to the attention of Mainland Football, the federation that has overall control of the sport in Nelsen.
It delegated the handing out of any punishment to Nelsen Bays Football, who were forced to strip the team of points accumulated in games in which Feni has played, award those points to the opposition, and forfeit goals scored.
Nelsen Suburbs board member Graeme Duncan said he was upset by the decision, not so much for the loss of points, but for the fact it denies Feni the right to play a sport he loves.
He said it was a decision that would have ramifications for other players living in Nelsen and around the country who were from overseas.
"There must be thousands of young kids in a similar situation who by virtue of being 16 or 17 and not 18, but who are here as of right and under our wing to be educated and fostered and developed ... to give them every possible opportunity that we can, and send them home as promising young individuals," said Duncan.
"To have to say to them they can have all of that apart from soccer, it just doesn't make sense.
Duncan said it was his understanding no club in Nelsen had complained about Feni's eligibility and it was not a decision made by the local body, but he felt he had no option but to resign from the Nelsen Bays Football district executive."
But same old story. There's a good enough pool of talent, but if it's to happen, there needs to be money. And since a hefty amount of the Mainland Football money goes into Canterbury Utd, I don't see it happening soon.
Didn't need him anyway as it turned out.
North Shore deserve a team then. They have far more history than either of those football centres.
Too much self interest, too much parochialism to let the league succeed.
But if the Southern teams get relegated and replaced by Auckland or Wellington teams, and then the central sides the same, why not just stick with the NPL or the Central League which is what it could end up with.
Too much self interest, too much parochialism to let the league succeed.
What's wrong with parochialism? And are you saying fans of NZFC clubs shouldn't be parochial towards their own team?
For example. If Glenfield Rovers were in the National League would you support them ? Whereas if there was a North Harbour side that Birkenhead and Glenfield were 'involved' with would you watch them (discounting your current loyalty to City) ?
Do you think a club based national league would get better crowd numbers? Latter round Chatham Cup games (usually between 'big' clubs) often get crowd numbers twice that of your average NZFC match, or any NZFC match really that doesn't involve Akl, Waitak or Canty.
The NZFC isn't always this brilliant, fantastic idea for a league that people sometimes make it out to be. What i mean by that is it's not the definitive solution to the problem, but it is a solution.
I also don't remember there being that many there for many games when Miramar were the only Wellington side in the National league.
The structure we have with the winter based football clubs in an area funding the NZFC team works OK.
He also wanted a revamp of the Mainland League and proposed a bigger focus on the South Island Championship at the conclusion, with more matches against Dunedin teams.
As a Nelson Suburbs fan I do find it hard to support a Canterbury team which features no current Nelson players (even though they're clearly second best in the Mainland League) but instead features a team full of rival players.
Posted: Yesterday at 7:34pm By Luis Garcia
He also wanted a revamp of the Mainland League and proposed a bigger focus on the South Island Championship at the conclusion, with more matches against Dunedin teams.
As a Nelson Suburbs fan I do find it hard to support a Canterbury team which features no current Nelson players (even though they're clearly second best in the Mainland League) but instead features a team full of rival players.
Hi Luis Garcia
Alonso was a better buy!!
Anyway back to the subject.
That is another problem with getting a good crowd to football in NZ. So called football fans can't see that it's not their club team/loyalty that's under attack but an extension of it. Individuals and clubs should be fully behind any of the players from their club or region and getting along to games and supporting them.
Nelson region did have players in last sesons Canterbury United team, Tom Lancaster and Paul Dirou who also played for Nelson in the 2009 MPL.
Some times players on moving up a level do decide to move out of the area. It then comes back to can Nelson afford and get enough support for a bid at a team in the NZFC. Previous history says they can just as they have with Basketball.
It would be good for Canerbury United to have a home game in Nelson next season.
Lancaster was playing for Tech in the 09 MPL, and playing bloody well.
I think a Nelson Suburbs U19 team would be the ideal option at the moment. (Although i'm not exactly sure on the format of the U19 competition if someone here can put it in a bit more detail.)
Nayland College are almost always in the top five at secondary school nationals so there's always players coming through.
Just a little idea of the calibre of the young guys in the Suburbs squad.
Gagame Feni and Jerry Donga would be the two starting strikers, both Solomon Islanders from Nayland College, Gagame was top goal scorer at secondary school nationals last year but hasn't played for Suburbs due to being to young and NZ football not allowing him to.
in the midfield there's Alex Ridsdale, current NZ secondary schools player, was in the U15 team last year and likely to make the U17 world cup squad next year. Adam Smith, former U17 player, had been offered a one year contract with Hull's youth team before but had to turn it down due to NCEA.
Defense - Matt Shaw, current NZ secondary schools player.
Goal keeper - Coey Turipa, NZ U20 goalie, trains with the Phoenix quite often.
Seven of the current Suburbs squad are still at school. But with no university most of the top talent do leave after college, whether it's for uni, scholarship in US, or just to travel.Luis Garcia2010-08-10 15:28:24
These players have been training with the Canterbury United first team, with only Jordan Yong from Richmond being too old for the youth team.
Gagame Feni
Coey Turipa - Likely to be reserve keeper, but will start for the Youth team.
Jordan Yong - Richmond
Adam Smith
Canterbury Youth team
Matt Shaw
Billy Scott
Alex Ridsdale
and there's a guy from Marlborough in there too.
Point being, Nelson is developing the players to contribute a very decent percentage in the Canterbury set up.
These players have been training with the Canterbury United first team, with only Jordan Yong from Richmond being too old for the youth team.
Gagame Feni
Coey Turipa - Likely to be reserve keeper, but will start for the Youth team.
Jordan Yong - Richmond
Adam Smith
Canterbury Youth team
Matt Shaw
Billy Scott
Alex Ridsdale
and there's a guy from Marlborough in there too.
Point being, Nelson is developing the players to contribute a very decent percentage in the Canterbury set up.
More likely the point being Canterbury� is developing Nelsons players.
Fact being Nelson dont have enough decent players to have�there own NZFC team.
Considering only one of them has been in the Canterbury set up before shows Nelson is developing them. All the guys mentioned are under 20 years-old. Nayland College dominated at secondary school nationals, second place is awesome for a co-ed school in Nelson. Point being, give Nelson a national youth league team!
If we're talking about expansion, how about that Porirua based franchise? (yes... Ole Madrids, the name sucked but everything else was there - facilities, access, financial backing).
Thoughts? Does anyone see this as a possibility (assuming the interest is still there)?