The real prize on the line here is the Unofficial Football Word Championship:
https://www.ufwc.co.uk/2017/11/new-zealand-challen...
Apparently we're "UFWC virgins." Your first time is always special etc.
That's a pretty cool concept tbf. The Ranfurly Shield of international football. Just wish it wasn't a team as good as Peru taking our virginity
To be the best...
seems all of Peru's players have now arrived. For whatever reason they are only training once a day, from 4.15pm onwards. I have no idea what they are doing for the rest of the day.
Coke
[/quote] Doubt it will be Ruidiaz if I'm honest. Farfan is a Peruvian football legend, and has been in cracking form with Lokomotiv in Russia recently. Now I know the average ability of the Peruvian squad is immeasurably better than the All Whites squad, however i feel it's important to not underestimate the quality of our best players. We have a first team premier league striker, they do not. We have a premier league team's vice-captain centre back, they do not. We have two Eredivisie wingers, they do not (Thomas is the star player of Zwolle too). Now I'm not for a second saying we have a better team, not by a long shot - but the fact is it's not completely impossible to get a result on Saturday, our absolute star players are arguably better than theirs (the problem is the rest of their squad is far better than the rest of ours). Looking at their squad without Guerrero, it the goal-scoring expectations will fall to Farfan/Ruidiaz, Cueva, Carillo and Flores. The rest of the squad is mostly Peruvian league players - and while the Mexican team from four years ago was also mainly made of domestic league players, the Mexican league is miles better than the Peruvian league. We're still massive underdogs, but maybe, just maybe the football gods will be looking down on us and feel like making Piney go mental in the commentary box. Get hyped folks #COYAW
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I have been having similar feelings, I tend to shut them down quickly but they keep bubbling up to the surface
Totally agree that we have good enough players to cause an upset at the Cake tin. Half our outfield players are starters in OK level European first Div sides. If you throw in Smith from the Championship and then the three who are regular starters at MLS level then we have plenty of talent. Certainly enough to give Peru a good match.
However for me this match will come down to a battle of the two coaches.....and I am afraid that this is where we will fall down.. I have little faith in Hudsons ability to formulate the appropriate tactics and analysis to win us this game. He was quoted as saying he did not enjoy one minute of the Conf cup. The reality is that he has been found out at this level. We are still waiting to see what Hudson football looks like,after three and a half years. Will we park the bus, will we long ball it, will we press high and try and win the ball in their half or concede possession and defend in numbers.....who knows..because we have seen Hudsons team try and fail in all these tactics.
The Peruvian coach Ricardo Gareca is a a very experianced and smart coach. He has been coaching since 1996 and has won 1 Peru league and 3 Argentinian titles. Peru play a very good team game. They appear to be mentally stronger than many St American teams. They will have a strong game plan to beat NZ. Their lack of stars is not a reason to under rate them.
I will be at the Cake Tin on Saturday giving 100% support for the team....miracles do happen in football. Maybe, just maybe Hudson might get the tactics right and all the players might play the match of their lives. Maybe Peru have will have an off day. Your head says...Peru....unbeaten in 2017 ranked top ten in the world.....NZ, lost every game against non PI games 2017......should be a non contest. But your heart says something else is possible.
Go you AW's
The real prize on the line here is the Unofficial Football Word Championship:
https://www.ufwc.co.uk/2017/11/new-zealand-challen...
Apparently we're "UFWC virgins." Your first time is always special etc.
That's a pretty cool concept tbf. The Ranfurly Shield of international football. Just wish it wasn't a team as good as Peru taking our virginity
[/quote] Doubt it will be Ruidiaz if I'm honest. Farfan is a Peruvian football legend, and has been in cracking form with Lokomotiv in Russia recently. Now I know the average ability of the Peruvian squad is immeasurably better than the All Whites squad, however i feel it's important to not underestimate the quality of our best players. We have a first team premier league striker, they do not. We have a premier league team's vice-captain centre back, they do not. We have two Eredivisie wingers, they do not (Thomas is the star player of Zwolle too). Now I'm not for a second saying we have a better team, not by a long shot - but the fact is it's not completely impossible to get a result on Saturday, our absolute star players are arguably better than theirs (the problem is the rest of their squad is far better than the rest of ours). Looking at their squad without Guerrero, it the goal-scoring expectations will fall to Farfan/Ruidiaz, Cueva, Carillo and Flores. The rest of the squad is mostly Peruvian league players - and while the Mexican team from four years ago was also mainly made of domestic league players, the Mexican league is miles better than the Peruvian league. We're still massive underdogs, but maybe, just maybe the football gods will be looking down on us and feel like making Piney go mental in the commentary box. Get hyped folks #COYAW
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I have been having similar feelings, I tend to shut them down quickly but they keep bubbling up to the surface
Totally agree that we have good enough players to cause an upset at the Cake tin. Half our outfield players are starters in OK level European first Div sides. If you throw in Smith from the Championship and then the three who are regular starters at MLS level then we have plenty of talent. Certainly enough to give Peru a good match.
However for me this match will come down to a battle of the two coaches.....and I am afraid that this is where we will fall down.. I have little faith in Hudsons ability to formulate the appropriate tactics and analysis to win us this game. He was quoted as saying he did not enjoy one minute of the Conf cup. The reality is that he has been found out at this level. We are still waiting to see what Hudson football looks like,after three and a half years. Will we park the bus, will we long ball it, will we press high and try and win the ball in their half or concede possession and defend in numbers.....who knows..because we have seen Hudsons team try and fail in all these tactics.
The Peruvian coach Ricardo Gareca is a a very experianced and smart coach. He has been coaching since 1996 and has won 1 Peru league and 3 Argentinian titles. Peru play a very good team game. They appear to be mentally stronger than many St American teams. They will have a strong game plan to beat NZ. Their lack of stars is not a reason to under rate them.
I will be at the Cake Tin on Saturday giving 100% support for the team....miracles do happen in football. Maybe, just maybe Hudson might get the tactics right and all the players might play the match of their lives. Maybe Peru have will have an off day. Your head says...Peru....unbeaten in 2017 ranked top ten in the world.....NZ, lost every game against non PI games 2017......should be a non contest. But your heart says something else is possible.
Go you AW's
I was thinking the exact same thing. Gareca is a really pragmatic coach who always gets to know how the other team plays and plans the game according to that. In Argentina he coached Velez Sarfield for 4 years, that's not something you see very often, and he won 5 titles, with his team being competive every tournament. And before that he already had 14 years of coaching experience. I'm afraid that our problem ends ups being our coach and tactics rather than the level of our players.
Drinking with Peruvians. Viaduct, Auckland, 3pm
[/quote] Doubt it will be Ruidiaz if I'm honest. Farfan is a Peruvian football legend, and has been in cracking form with Lokomotiv in Russia recently. Now I know the average ability of the Peruvian squad is immeasurably better than the All Whites squad, however i feel it's important to not underestimate the quality of our best players. We have a first team premier league striker, they do not. We have a premier league team's vice-captain centre back, they do not. We have two Eredivisie wingers, they do not (Thomas is the star player of Zwolle too). Now I'm not for a second saying we have a better team, not by a long shot - but the fact is it's not completely impossible to get a result on Saturday, our absolute star players are arguably better than theirs (the problem is the rest of their squad is far better than the rest of ours). Looking at their squad without Guerrero, it the goal-scoring expectations will fall to Farfan/Ruidiaz, Cueva, Carillo and Flores. The rest of the squad is mostly Peruvian league players - and while the Mexican team from four years ago was also mainly made of domestic league players, the Mexican league is miles better than the Peruvian league. We're still massive underdogs, but maybe, just maybe the football gods will be looking down on us and feel like making Piney go mental in the commentary box. Get hyped folks #COYAW
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I have been having similar feelings, I tend to shut them down quickly but they keep bubbling up to the surface
Totally agree that we have good enough players to cause an upset at the Cake tin. Half our outfield players are starters in OK level European first Div sides. If you throw in Smith from the Championship and then the three who are regular starters at MLS level then we have plenty of talent. Certainly enough to give Peru a good match.
However for me this match will come down to a battle of the two coaches.....and I am afraid that this is where we will fall down.. I have little faith in Hudsons ability to formulate the appropriate tactics and analysis to win us this game. He was quoted as saying he did not enjoy one minute of the Conf cup. The reality is that he has been found out at this level. We are still waiting to see what Hudson football looks like,after three and a half years. Will we park the bus, will we long ball it, will we press high and try and win the ball in their half or concede possession and defend in numbers.....who knows..because we have seen Hudsons team try and fail in all these tactics.
The Peruvian coach Ricardo Gareca is a a very experianced and smart coach. He has been coaching since 1996 and has won 1 Peru league and 3 Argentinian titles. Peru play a very good team game. They appear to be mentally stronger than many St American teams. They will have a strong game plan to beat NZ. Their lack of stars is not a reason to under rate them.
I will be at the Cake Tin on Saturday giving 100% support for the team....miracles do happen in football. Maybe, just maybe Hudson might get the tactics right and all the players might play the match of their lives. Maybe Peru have will have an off day. Your head says...Peru....unbeaten in 2017 ranked top ten in the world.....NZ, lost every game against non PI games 2017......should be a non contest. But your heart says something else is possible.
Go you AW's
I was thinking the exact same thing. Gareca is a really pragmatic coach who always gets to know how the other team plays and plans the game according to that. In Argentina he coached Velez Sarfield for 4 years, that's not something you see very often, and he won 5 titles, with his team being competive every tournament. And before that he already had 14 years of coaching experience. I'm afraid that our problem ends ups being our coach and tactics rather than the level of our players.
There is a lot of talk about the weather in Wellington affecting Peru, but just out of curiosity how many games has Hudson coached at the Cake Tin?
Will this be his first official game?
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Fiji game in March.
We will win the first leg. Mark my words
We will win the first leg. Mark my words
[/quote] Doubt it will be Ruidiaz if I'm honest. Farfan is a Peruvian football legend, and has been in cracking form with Lokomotiv in Russia recently. Now I know the average ability of the Peruvian squad is immeasurably better than the All Whites squad, however i feel it's important to not underestimate the quality of our best players. We have a first team premier league striker, they do not. We have a premier league team's vice-captain centre back, they do not. We have two Eredivisie wingers, they do not (Thomas is the star player of Zwolle too). Now I'm not for a second saying we have a better team, not by a long shot - but the fact is it's not completely impossible to get a result on Saturday, our absolute star players are arguably better than theirs (the problem is the rest of their squad is far better than the rest of ours). Looking at their squad without Guerrero, it the goal-scoring expectations will fall to Farfan/Ruidiaz, Cueva, Carillo and Flores. The rest of the squad is mostly Peruvian league players - and while the Mexican team from four years ago was also mainly made of domestic league players, the Mexican league is miles better than the Peruvian league. We're still massive underdogs, but maybe, just maybe the football gods will be looking down on us and feel like making Piney go mental in the commentary box. Get hyped folks #COYAW
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I have been having similar feelings, I tend to shut them down quickly but they keep bubbling up to the surface
Totally agree that we have good enough players to cause an upset at the Cake tin. Half our outfield players are starters in OK level European first Div sides. If you throw in Smith from the Championship and then the three who are regular starters at MLS level then we have plenty of talent. Certainly enough to give Peru a good match.
However for me this match will come down to a battle of the two coaches.....and I am afraid that this is where we will fall down.. I have little faith in Hudsons ability to formulate the appropriate tactics and analysis to win us this game. He was quoted as saying he did not enjoy one minute of the Conf cup. The reality is that he has been found out at this level. We are still waiting to see what Hudson football looks like,after three and a half years. Will we park the bus, will we long ball it, will we press high and try and win the ball in their half or concede possession and defend in numbers.....who knows..because we have seen Hudsons team try and fail in all these tactics.
The Peruvian coach Ricardo Gareca is a a very experianced and smart coach. He has been coaching since 1996 and has won 1 Peru league and 3 Argentinian titles. Peru play a very good team game. They appear to be mentally stronger than many St American teams. They will have a strong game plan to beat NZ. Their lack of stars is not a reason to under rate them.
I will be at the Cake Tin on Saturday giving 100% support for the team....miracles do happen in football. Maybe, just maybe Hudson might get the tactics right and all the players might play the match of their lives. Maybe Peru have will have an off day. Your head says...Peru....unbeaten in 2017 ranked top ten in the world.....NZ, lost every game against non PI games 2017......should be a non contest. But your heart says something else is possible.
Go you AW's
Splitting hairs but there are only 2 regular MLS starters (Marinovic & Boxall). What should Hudson's tactics be in this game?
Do not turn the ball over in our half. the end
COYAW
We will win the first leg. Mark my words
Not even I would do that.
My word.
We will win the first leg. Mark my words
$5.25 on Bet365. You want to be putting a cheeky hundred or two on it with that confidence.
1st leg: All Whites (Wood 12', Reid 34') 2 - 1 Peru (Cueva 68')
2nd leg: Peru (Cueva 39', Carrillo 41' 76', Tapia 54') 4 - 1 All Whites (Brockie 88')
1st leg: All Whites (Wood 12', Reid 34') 2 - 1 Peru (Cueva 68')
2nd leg: Peru (Cueva 39', Carrillo 41' 76', Tapia 54') 4 - 1 All Whites (Brockie 88')
there is no way Carrillo scores twice....
First leg NZ 0-2 Peru
Second leg Peru 5-1 NZ
First leg: NZ 1-2 Peru
2nd leg: Peru 3-0 NZ
I read I think on stuff that Peru are travelling back to Lima straight after the match on Saturday. Obviously they’ll have to go to Auckland first and fuel up but they’ll have an extra day or so to prepare for the return leg.
Flying Welly - Lima direct. No Auckland stopover.
I would have thought that travelling straight after the game on a long haul flight would not be the best thing to do after hopefully a bruising encounter against the All Whites (Even if they are in 1st/business class). Virtually no time for any recovery/treatment for sore bodies etc...Last thing i'd want to do after a hard football game is get on a 15 hour flight!
Also, what is the ideal result for NZ after the first leg to approach the second?
2-0 Win for NZ (clean sheet, I would have thought is a must given its the first leg) Is this a pipe dream?
Or will Hudson tactics be park the bus if we happen to go 1-0 up? (Please no...)
Also, for the second leg in Lima is there anything the All Whites can learn from the Aussies in their approach for the first leg of the Australia Vs Honduras game?
I read I think on stuff that Peru are travelling back to Lima straight after the match on Saturday. Obviously they’ll have to go to Auckland first and fuel up but they’ll have an extra day or so to prepare for the return leg.
Flying Welly - Lima direct. No Auckland stopover.
I would have thought that travelling straight after the game on a long haul flight would not be the best thing to do after hopefully a bruising encounter against the All Whites (Even if they are in 1st/business class). Virtually no time for any recovery/treatment for sore bodies etc...Last thing i'd want to do after a hard football game is get on a 15 hour flight!
Also, what is the ideal result for NZ after the first leg to approach the second?
2-0 Win for NZ (clean sheet, I would have thought is a must given its the first leg) Is this a pipe dream?
Or will Hudson tactics be park the bus if we happen to go 1-0 up? (Please no...)
It's a charter flight for Peru. They will have their own physios, doctors etc all on board complete with massage tables etc.
Socceroos were first to do this (that I know of), with playoffs against Uruguay back in 2005. Helps to have Frank Lowry's millions, when need a little extra expense. They claimed it gave them a massive edge for game 2 in Sydney - the poor Uruguayans travelling on a simple commercial flight from Montevideo to Aussie - as AWs will be doing this time in reverse.
That 2nd leg of course went to ET, with Uruguayans virtually walking at the end of 120 mins, but managed to hang on until the penalty shootout.
Also, for the second leg in Lima is there anything the All Whites can learn from the Aussies in their approach for the first leg of the Australia Vs Honduras game?
They hired private security on top of the police guarding them around the clock.
Also, for the second leg in Lima is there anything the All Whites can learn from the Aussies in their approach for the first leg of the Australia Vs Honduras game?
They hired private security on top of the police guarding them around the clock.
Well it is at San Pedro Sula that place is dodgy AF, though I've been to San Salvador (which is homicide capital) and managed to get out alive but for those places security is absolutely necessary. Lima is nowhere near as bad as that and the AW's have been to El Salvador and Mexico during the previous World Cup cycle so they atleast have experience in Latin America and in my opinion the harshest countries in terms of hostility and climate. It doesn't mean that the AW's should let their guard down for a moment but hopefully the Peruvian people arn't as hostile to our team as the Uruguayans were to Aussie back in the day.
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
Yeah maybe they are just impressed with his interviews...They do state that NZ did well for passages vs Mexico and Russia and give him credit for that.
Sadly the Netherlands are arguably no longer a top European league (currently sitting 12th in the UEFA coefficient ranking and with no relevant CL team in years) - but that is another discussion.
How about NZF charging $10 for match day programmes!? Having a laugh!
Like the match tickets, they've probably got it right. I'll be buying one.
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
Yeah maybe they are just impressed with his interviews...They do state that NZ did well for passages vs Mexico and Russia and give him credit for that.
Sadly the Netherlands are arguably no longer a top European league (currently sitting 12th in the UEFA coefficient ranking and with no relevant CL team in years) - but that is another discussion.
On exactly what passages of the game against Russia NZ did well? All I remember is how lucky we were not to lose by more than 2 goals. In the Confeds the only moment the AWs played 'well' was the first half against Mexico
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
Yeah maybe they are just impressed with his interviews...They do state that NZ did well for passages vs Mexico and Russia and give him credit for that.
Sadly the Netherlands are arguably no longer a top European league (currently sitting 12th in the UEFA coefficient ranking and with no relevant CL team in years) - but that is another discussion.
On exactly what passages of the game against Russia NZ did well? All I remember is how lucky we were not to lose by more than 2 goals. In the Confeds the only moment the AWs played 'well' was the first half against Mexico
No idea, you would have to ask them haha.
They seem to hold NZ in greater estimation than some NZ fans, certain sections of the Peruvian press while confident in Peru are aware that NZ has the potential to win.
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
Yeah maybe they are just impressed with his interviews...They do state that NZ did well for passages vs Mexico and Russia and give him credit for that.
Sadly the Netherlands are arguably no longer a top European league (currently sitting 12th in the UEFA coefficient ranking and with no relevant CL team in years) - but that is another discussion.
On exactly what passages of the game against Russia NZ did well? All I remember is how lucky we were not to lose by more than 2 goals. In the Confeds the only moment the AWs played 'well' was the first half against Mexico
No idea, you would have to ask them haha.
They seem to hold NZ in greater estimation than some NZ fans, certain sections of the Peruvian press while confident in Peru are aware that NZ has the potential to win.
They obviously didn't watch the Belarus or Northern Ireland games, that's for sure.
He coached vs Fiji at the Caketin, but yea we're doomed with him in charge.
Just watched a peruvian tv show were they singled out Hudson for praise...essentially saying that the best thing NZ had was the coach. They stated he is a modern coach
The English Championship where Smith plays is likely a higher level then the Netherlands and definitely higher then Portugal.
How about NZF charging $10 for match day programmes!? Having a laugh!
That’s less than £5 for a programme, cheaper then many British clubs and AB programmes in Europe.
